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Yes that's very true and something I hadn't thought of yet... pandemic + natural disaster...
Mother Nature's had enough and is pushing back on us human bugs
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:20
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My partner's colleagues in Singapore are working from home for 6mths.
No wonder people are joking about divorce rates going up!
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:22
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The article says that lockdown measures aren't enough on their own, and not that they are unnecessary.
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“What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them,” Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show.

“The danger right now with the lockdowns ... if we don’t put in place the strong public health measures now, when those movement restrictions and lockdowns are lifted, the danger is the disease will jump back up.

Ryan said that the examples of China, Singapore and South Korea, which coupled restrictions with rigorous measures to test every possible suspect, provided a model for Europe, which the WHO has said has replaced Asia as the epicenter of the pandemic.

“Once we’ve suppressed the transmission, we have to go after the virus. We have to take the fight to the virus,” Ryan said.


Asked how long it would take before there was a vaccine available in Britain, he said that people needed to be realistic.

“We have to make sure that it’s absolutely safe... we are talking at least a year,” he said.

“The vaccines will come, but we need to get out and do what we need to do now.”
They say we need to test and identify the vulnerable ones and isolate them and not do lockdowns on everybody.

Everybody else who is not vulnerable should go out
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2190FM

So...maybe Sweden, Netherlands and UK are doing a right thing after all?
The article says "isolate, test, trace contacts" - that a little different to doing nothing and hoping for herd immunity, no?
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The article says "isolate, test, trace contacts" - that a little different to doing nothing and hoping for herd immunity, no?
They say full lock down won't give results. Only the vulnerable should be isolated. Not the rest
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:26
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2190FM

So...maybe Sweden, Netherlands and UK are doing a right thing after all?
Nobody said that lockdowns will beat the virus, the lockdowns are intended to reduce stress on healthcare.

As for the Netherlands, their late/relaxed rules must be paying out great, doctors have started to call to turn hotels into palliative carecenters while other hotels already are being turned into medicare centers. And they are filling up hospitals in the country with patients from the south of the country, and even tho they have much more deaths than Switzerland they only have half the amount of confirmed infections atm simply due to a even bigger lack of testing.

All these countries will in a short realise that they betted on the wrong horse when their healthcare system collapses.
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The article says "isolate, test, trace contacts" - that a little different to doing nothing and hoping for herd immunity, no?


“What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them,” Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show.



By the time they do that, the pandemic will be subsiding. There are already thousands infected. It's too late.
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They say full lock down won't give results. Only the vulnerable should be isolated. Not the rest
In Wuhan it gave results. Full lock down is meant to prevent wild spreading and overwhelming the health system in the early stage. Ideally, during lock down and especially after it's relaxed (when the curve is flattened) there should be active testing, tracing of contacts and isolating, kinda like in China. What is "vulnerable" anyway? 45-50 year olds get into ICU as well... Do we isolate all 50+ people, seriously? Or 60+? Who decides?
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:29
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They say full lock down won't give results. Only the vulnerable should be isolated. Not the rest
The whole article is about that a lockdown is not the whole answer but that it is part of the whole answer.

Maybe read it again since you did not understand it.

From the article:

"“Once we’ve suppressed the transmission, we have to go after the virus. We have to take the fight to the virus,” Ryan said."

Those 3 countries already fail at the first step.
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Wonder what will happen with my old brother. Currently in rehab after a knee replacement, aged 82. In the current circumstances, he just can't go home on his own after rehab- so I have offered to have him here with us. Wonder if they will agree to that, and if insurance will pay for taxi- or if we will have to go and pick him up from above Montreux.
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Old 23.03.2020, 14:34
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The whole article is about that a lockdown is not the whole answer but that it is part of the whole answer.

Maybe read it again since you did not understand it.

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"“Once we’ve suppressed the transmission, we have to go after the virus. We have to take the fight to the virus,” Ryan said."

Those 3 countries already fail at the first step.
Feel free to read and interpret as you wish, it's your right.

I guess at this moment it's "in" to be philanthropist rather than reasonable and logical
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Feel free to read and interpret as you wish, it's your right.

I guess at this moment it's "in" to be philanthropist rather than reasonable and logical
First you deliberately make up lies about Sweden, than you deliberately choose to not understand your own source, you groan those with reason and who understand the links you post.

You're just another troll to be ignored.
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What is "vulnerable" anyway? 45-50 year olds get into ICU as well... Do we isolate all 50+ people, seriously? Or 60+? Who decides?

It's all over the internet who is vulnerable.
The govt. would decide, however anyone who can read or listen to the TV or radio can decide for themselves.

In the UK, the NHS is contacting 1.5 million vulnerable people and telling them to self isolate for 12 weeks.

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Re: Coronavirus

Just before schools got closed my teenage daughter (who travelled by train to her Gymi every day) developed a fever and dry cough. We called the hotline, were asked detailed personal info incl. phone number, and were told that they won't test her as she is not old. Nobody contacted us since. I'm pretty sure in China or Taiwan something like a mobile testing team would've come and tested her, the rest of our family and the neighbours.
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It's all over the internet who is vulnerable.
The govt. would decide, however anyone who can read or listen to the TV or radio can decide for themselves.

In the UK, the NHS is contacting 1.5 million vulnerable people and telling them to self isolate for 12 weeks.
Do you sincerely believe they all will self-isolate for 12 weeks? And what about us 50+ year olds? If the government deems only 65+ vulnerable, do I just "stop worrying and learn to live with the bomb?"
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Do you sincerely believe they all will self-isolate for 12 weeks?
They have the necessary information. If they don't self isolate then they take their chances. Same as not wearing a seatbelt.
Yes there will always be some poor exception that can be cited, but the majority can do as they please.


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And what about us 50+ year olds? If the government deems only 65+ vulnerable, do I just "stop worrying and learn to live with the bomb?"
You are responsible for your own well being. Everyone can see that the medical system is not going to be much help.
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Old 23.03.2020, 15:08
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Do you sincerely believe they all will self-isolate for 12 weeks? And what about us 50+ year olds? If the government deems only 65+ vulnerable, do I just "stop worrying and learn to live with the bomb?"
Well they have a choice -- either self-isolate or greatly increase their chance of an untimely death.

As for over-50s, it's a matter of prioritising, surely? The older you are the greater the risk, so those around 50 with no underlying health concerns are relatively safe of infection -- though of course very good at infecting others.
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They have the necessary information. If they don't self isolate then they take their chances. Same as not wearing a seatbelt.
Yes there will always be some poor exception that can be cited, but the majority can do as they please.

You are responsible for your own well being. Everyone can see that the medical system is not going to be much help.
Personal responsibility just doesn't seem to register with many anymore. It wouldn't be so bad were it not for the risk that people who refuse to follow the advice pose to others.
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Positive attitude in the time of Corona - Tips?

It’s been an interesting exercise watching people’s behavior (and my own) in face of the escalating COVID19 containment measures. In the interest of keeping morale up for those who’s jobs and lives have been severely disrupted I’d like to hear tips to avoid falling into a funk.

Here’s my starting list:
- Look at the news just once a day. Fervently checking for updates just builds stress and I`m seeing nothing happening which requires instant action
- Call someone outside your normal social circle just to let them know you are thinking of them
- Avoid complaining people. Nobody`s happy but active negativity is contagious.
- If you catch yourself complaining, try rephrasing it. “I’m thankful for getting 80% of my pay” or “They’ve cut my hours by 20%”?
- Make a checklist of things to achieve today. Can be as simple as reading a chapter of a long-deferred book, taking inventory of your toilet paper http://www.englishforum.ch/images/smilies/wink.gif , doing your taxes, or cleaning the windows
- See if the elderly neighbors need help with fetching groceries or walking their dog (and no joke, don’t automatically assume they have or use the internet)
- Don’t be afraid to ask for help if you are in a risk category or overwhelmed by having the kids home all the time.
- Try to avoid becoming too sedentary. Doing paces in the living room while watching TV isn’t like a walk in the park but it’s better than nothing
- Do something for the greater good. Easy idea: if you live in multi-unit housing, wipe and disinfect the entry door handles a couple times a day.

I’d welcome reading suggestions of others
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They have the necessary information. If they don't self isolate then they take their chances. Same as not wearing a seatbelt.
Yes there will always be some poor exception that can be cited, but the majority can do as they please.

You are responsible for your own well being. Everyone can see that the medical system is not going to be much help.
The elephant in this room is that you are also responsible for the well being of other people; you are not only taking your chances but are sentencing other people to possibly fatal illness.
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