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Old 23.03.2020, 15:55
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Re: Coronavirus

It will be interesting to see if these lockdowns and social distancing reduce the incidence of usual seasonal flu.
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Old 23.03.2020, 15:58
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The elephant in this room is that you are also responsible for the well being of other people; you are not only taking your chances but are sentencing other people to possibly fatal illness.
How does that work? If people who are vulnerable get in contact with you ...how is that your responsibility?
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Old 23.03.2020, 16:03
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Do you sincerely believe they all will self-isolate for 12 weeks? And what about us 50+ year olds? If the government deems only 65+ vulnerable, do I just "stop worrying and learn to live with the bomb?"
We all have to live with the bomb. Worrying won't help at all. Distancing and if possible isolating ourselves does.

My neighbour is still forced by her boss to drive all the way to a to the office in an other city to do a 100% office job there (= could be done bloody anywhere) while he pops in and out that said office, having regular customer-contact and brings back their germs - and the virus? - anytime now.

I on the other hand don't need the government to lock - or weld - my front door as I'm in the comfortable situation to make my own decisions. Which is follow the advice.
If it wern't for the bise Odile complained about in an other thread, which makes the temperatures unbearable since Sunday, I would have an even more luxurious lock-down here, with a little garden the only person gets even near to is the said neighbour who is at work out of town all the time.

Stop complaining about government. If you're ill you stay home. If you are not and want to stay healthy plus don't have an a-hole-boss, you stay home too. If you get troubles breathing and/or a very high fever you do an emergency call (phone) to your GP.
If you could show self-responsibility the government had time to sort out all the other stuff that needs sorting. If you need to be forced to stay alive, there is something wrong with you, imo.

The "you" stands for nobody specific.

And last but not least: Does nobody realize that we're still complaining on a very high level here?! We still have absolutely everything to make isolation most comfortable! In addition we even got home-schooling now. We still have home-deliveries of basically anything our heart desires - yes, food deliveries take a bit longer but it's not that people don't have time to plan. Or is that too much to ask as well? Should government maybe do the planning for each person?

Seriously! Yes there is a problem. A big one. But boy, it can get so much worse. I don't want to even imagine some people's behaviour when it really gets uncomfortable.
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Old 23.03.2020, 16:09
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Re: Coronavirus

Another article about Verbier

''Local doctor Sabine Popescu said “after we receive the next round of results, we expect around 60 people will have tested positive in the region”, a number she thinks is just the tip of the iceberg.

When spread accelerates it can be difficult for testing to keep up. “For example, we had a chalet where one person was officially positive, but seven other guests were sick”, said the doctor.

Popescu has called on the authorities to quarantine the municipality to reduce the chance of accelerating the spread of the virus in the plateau region of the canton where most of the population lives.''
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Old 23.03.2020, 16:23
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Landi near us is closed now, yours still running?
Ours is still open.
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Old 23.03.2020, 16:27
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Re: Positive attitude in the time of Corona - Tips?

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It’s been an interesting exercise watching people’s behavior (and my own) in face of the escalating COVID19 containment measures. In the interest of keeping morale up for those who’s jobs and lives have been severely disrupted I’d like to hear tips to avoid falling into a funk.

Here’s my starting list:
- Look at the news just once a day. Fervently checking for updates just builds stress and I`m seeing nothing happening which requires instant action
- Call someone outside your normal social circle just to let them know you are thinking of them
- Avoid complaining people. Nobody`s happy but active negativity is contagious.
- If you catch yourself complaining, try rephrasing it. “I’m thankful for getting 80% of my pay” or “They’ve cut my hours by 20%”?
- Make a checklist of things to achieve today. Can be as simple as reading a chapter of a long-deferred book, taking inventory of your toilet paper http://www.englishforum.ch/images/smilies/wink.gif , doing your taxes, or cleaning the windows
- See if the elderly neighbors need help with fetching groceries or walking their dog (and no joke, don’t automatically assume they have or use the internet)
- Don’t be afraid to ask for help if you are in a risk category or overwhelmed by having the kids home all the time.
- Try to avoid becoming too sedentary. Doing paces in the living room while watching TV isn’t like a walk in the park but it’s better than nothing
- Do something for the greater good. Easy idea: if you live in multi-unit housing, wipe and disinfect the entry door handles a couple times a day.

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-Make Quarantine cocktails
-Spring clean your balcony/garden, plants make us happy
-Start preparing dinner earlier, make it complicated, start with amuse bouche
-HIIT exercise with jumping so your neighbours can hear you
-Incorporate a sour dough or puff pastry schedule into your work day
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Old 23.03.2020, 16:29
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Mother Nature's had enough and is pushing back on us human bugs
Nope. That implies an action by "nature". What were seeing is a natural consequence of living the way we do. It was inevitable. Epidemiologists have been warning of this for years.

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It will be interesting to see if these lockdowns and social distancing reduce the incidence of usual seasonal flu.
If they don't I'll be very surprised. And if they don't then we're all in trouble...
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Old 23.03.2020, 16:41
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Re: Positive attitude in the time of Corona - Tips?

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- Do something for the greater good. Easy idea: if you live in multi-unit housing, wipe and disinfect the entry door handles a couple times a day.
That's actually a good idea, particularly as one of our neighbours must leave the house for work.

I wonder if Migros are considering going back to their origins and delivering a limited number items from vans for people who don't have internet access? I believe the original 6 items they carried when they first began were coffee, rice, sugar, pasta, coconut fat and soap. Add loo rolls, flour, yeast, milk, baby formula and a few other basics, and they'd be onto a winner.
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Re: Coronavirus

Update on that earlier good original article:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-be9337092b56
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Old 23.03.2020, 16:49
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Re: Coronavirus

And the arse hole woman Stadtpräsidentin Zürich Corine Mauch has not said one word to the Corana thing. She's only good for dinner parties etc
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Stop complaining about government. If you're ill you stay home. If you are not and want to stay healthy plus don't have an a-hole-boss, you stay home too. If you get troubles breathing and/or a very high fever you do an emergency call (phone) to your GP.
If you could show self-responsibility the government had time to sort out all the other stuff that needs sorting. If you need to be forced to stay alive, there is something wrong with you, imo.
I am perfectly responsible and am doing my bit. What I need from my government is to be decisive and timely on taking measures to protect us from the idiots and the careless out there who spread the virus. So that if I get infected and fall seriously ill there will be health system capacity left to take care of me.
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Old 23.03.2020, 16:58
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I am perfectly responsible and am doing my bit. What I need from my government is to be decisive and timely on taking measures to protect us from the idiots and the careless out there who spread the virus. So that if I get infected and fall seriously ill there will be health system capacity left to take care of me.
You need to isolate yourself and not go out if you are in a risk group. Nobody else can do it for you.
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Old 23.03.2020, 17:12
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-Incorporate a sour dough or puff pastry schedule into your work day
Done. I mean sour dough, I'm not good at making pastry....perhaps it's high time to try though. My next things on the list are bagels and focaccia.
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And the arse hole woman Stadtpräsidentin Zürich Corine Mauch has not said one word to the Corana thing. She's only good for dinner parties etc
Met her in real life through a friend, she's NOT what you said.
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Hello EdwinNL, many times I have read your posts and appreciate quite a lot your take on the stats. But this above is perhaps the second time I read your aggressive tone over people expressing what they think. I might not be in full agreement with whoever is V____ but what he tells, from his point of view helps me at least to think from a different perspective. Be them Swedes or the Swiss (smile) or BoJo or even myself at some point of during these and the upcoming strange days.



The figure of someone policing, censoring or aggressively criticizing others I don't think is required.
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Old 23.03.2020, 17:22
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Re: Coronavirus

I just read the daily updated stats provided by the Swiss BAG/OFSP for 23.03.2020. https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/fr/home...tml#1164290551

The incidence is almost the same for 20 and 70 years old. Mortality may be lower, but the young get sick at the same rate as the old.

On the bright side, it might be possible that the number of new cases is going down. Hope it's not just a weekend effect where less samples are taken. Data will be more robust tomorrow and by the end of this week it may be possible to say if the contagion rate has stabilized or even reduced.

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Old 23.03.2020, 17:23
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I just reading the stats provided by the CH BAG/OFSP for 23.03.2020. https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/fr/home...tml#1164290551

The incidence is almost the same for 20 and 70 years old. Mortality may be lower, but the young get sick at the same rate as the old.

On the bright side, it might be possible that the number of new cases is going down. Hope it's not just a weekend effect where less tests are done. Data will be more robust tomorrow and by the end of this week it may be possible to say if the contagion rate has stabilized or even reduced.

They started counting in a different way now. They excluded the positives and counted the confirmed, or something along those lines.

Edit: We've just overtaken Italy in infections per capita.
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Hello EdwinNL, many times I have read your posts and appreciate quite a lot your take on the stats. But this above is perhaps the second time I read your aggressive tone over people expressing what they think. I might not be in full agreement with whoever is V____ but what he tells, from his point of view helps me at least to think from a different perspective. Be them Swedes or the Swiss (smile) or BoJo or even myself at some point of during these and the upcoming strange days.

The figure of someone policing, censoring or aggressively criticizing others I don't think is required.
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"from the starting of the crisis they discovered large part of people already had the virus and never showed any symptoms, hence they see contagion is futile against this virus. That's why they handle it differently."
Is not sharing an opinion, this is making up things and falsely presenting them as facts and thus the post(er) should be treated as such.

If it is an opinion he should present it as opinion.
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Edit: We've just overtaken Italy in infections per capita.

In about an hour Italy will present the new numbers for the day, where we already put out a count this morning.

But yeah, if we test only a quarter of what they test with soma amount of positives we'll leave them far behind this week.
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Old 23.03.2020, 17:33
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Is not sharing an opinion, this is making up things and falsely presenting them as facts and thus the post(er) should be treated as such.

If it is an opinion he should present it as opinion.
Report: Data suggests 33% of coronavirus cases in China were asymptomatic

https://www.axios.com/china-coronavi...4e326ad27.html

That means no symptoms at all
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