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I'm trying to remember how the swine-flu panic ended. For the life of me I can not remember. Does anybody?
When we realised it was as for mortality actually milder than the normal seasonal flu and also it was first diagnosed in March but in August vaccins already were widely distributed. Also I don't recall panic in the Netherlands where I lived by then, it was something in the papers and hardly anybody really cared.

It is estimated that between 700 Million and 1.4Billion people got infected and it only has a confirmed death count of 14,286, Corona already has over 16K and many more to come, also it never placed a real burden on our healthcare systems.

Swine-flu is highly overrated.
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Old 23.03.2020, 22:35
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Absolute minimum 3 months. And still pretty heavy restrictions beyond that imo
Yep, more likely.

Only when testing becomes widely available and we can actually form a proper picture of spread, immunity and such we can start thinking of lowering restrictions for groups. For now we simply know way to little except that hospitals get overrun.
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Old 23.03.2020, 22:48
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When we realised it was as for mortality actually milder than the normal seasonal flu and also it was first diagnosed in March but in August vaccins already were widely distributed. Also I don't recall panic in the Netherlands where I lived by then, it was something in the papers and hardly anybody really cared.

It is estimated that between 700 Million and 1.4Billion people got infected and it only has a confirmed death count of 14,286, Corona already has over 16K and many more to come, also it never placed a real burden on our healthcare systems.

Swine-flu is highly overrated.
according to this, just under 300k deaths from swine flu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDD2tHWWnU

the video was updated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4no04822NQ

I haven't watched the second one in full, but it seems were are about on track to pass swine flu peak daily deaths.
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Old 23.03.2020, 22:57
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To me, a more useful measure would be something like how many people are critically ill in intensive care and how many intensive care spaces are left.
Ive seen some reports on number of serious cases but as many have said, the real crisis comes when the care system is overwhelmed, showing that number would maybe help drill home the seriousness.. (or lack thereof)
For example, if you read some of the local Swiss press, figures today for GE say there were 214 hospitalisations compared to 179 the day before. 43 persons were in intensive care. The head of public health in GE was quoted to say that the gravity of the situation was still to come in the coming days. Today 1,231 persons were tested, which compared to the previous days indicates a slowdown, but this was not true and in fact represented a more rational use of the tests.
My translation from RadioLac article.

For canton VD, here are the figures :

22.03--203 hospitalisations of which 23 were in intensive care, 1,782 cases, 16 deaths
21.03--175 hospitalisations of which 23 were in intensive care, 1,676 cases, 15 deaths
From-https://www.vd.ch/toutes-les-actualites/hotline-et-informations-sur-le-coronavirus/

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Old 23.03.2020, 23:08
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All in one room? Or how will he achieve his original goal otherwise?


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Old 23.03.2020, 23:09
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according to this, just under 300k deaths from swine flu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDD2tHWWnU

the video was updated here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4no04822NQ

I haven't watched the second one in full, but it seems were are about on track to pass swine flu peak daily deaths.
Estimated is indeed much higher than my number, my number is the confirmed count. When all of this is over they will also make an estimate for this coronavirus which will very likely be much higher than the confirmed count. if this thing would ravage through a country like India, or like in Africa large majority of deaths will never see a test and thus never will be confirmed.
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Re: Coronavirus

US has the steepest curve of infections, straight up almost. UK is also very steep:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
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Old 23.03.2020, 23:46
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https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/spain/

Here's the data (I link to Spain as an example, but similar patterns in France, Germany, Italy and the UK).

I'd like to see another good day or two, but it's looking good.
Now the day is nearing its end and countries have pushed out more updates are you still of the opinion that it is all looking better?

Spain for example has now reported 6368 new infections and 539 deaths for today.

And also look at the growing numbers of people in serious/critical condition.
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US has the steepest curve of infections, straight up almost. UK is also very steep:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
The steepness of the US curve definitely has to do with their outright refusal to run tests for quite a while, or only people which they were literally sure had it. Plenty of reports from people who were "pretty sure" to have been infected, but refused testing.

It's similar to how North Korea manages their famines: If no UN staff can enter the country to report, there is no starvation!
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Old 24.03.2020, 00:00
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They started counting in a different way now. They excluded the positives and counted the confirmed, or something along those lines.

Edit: We've just overtaken Italy in infections per capita.
Must be some kind of compention ! Shit ! Canada is way behind .Must go out and talk to PPL The US of a is closing in for the Gold
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Old 24.03.2020, 00:41
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Re: Coronavirus

There was a press conference for Canton Vaud today, which remains the canton with the highest number of cases. Main points were :
-canton is requisitioning chloroquine, and pharmacists are instructed to limit to only those in need
-communal voting is cancelled and work of the communal councils is suspended unless urgent
-the recycling centers remain open
-the communal administrations remain reachable but the counters are closed
-Vallée de Joux remains à particular hot-spot with 5 of the 16 deaths coming from there, highly disproportionate to the population there
-the measures taken have had a little impact on growth curve, it's not exponential, but they are expecting a big wave to come. They are doing slightly less testing, but a higher percentage is positive, which is the important thing to watch
-a lot of efforts have been put in place to protect the vulnerables
-police and civil defense have been enforcing the rules, most have followed the rules well but there were 4 business infractions, 56 fines, and 30 other infractions.
-no cases among the prisoners, but a few collaborateurs were positive

https://www.vd.ch/toutes-les-actuali...e-coronavirus/
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Old 24.03.2020, 02:19
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Re: Coronavirus

I am sure glad I kept my Playstation 3 from about 10+ years ago... still plays the ol' fashion DVD's and some zombie apocalypse games like Fallout 3, without using Internet (been slaughtering them raiders, super mutants & ghouls), just in case the internet goes out and we can't argue anymore on this thread about differences of opinion.

It's a crazy and unprecidented situation! Arguing about it on the internet is somehow, apprently refreshing for sociopaths, some smart people and some people with nothing better to do at the moment.

Keep in mind the border is (relatively) closed and we are landlocked.

We must stand together as a country and make the best of the situation! Despite the news on TV, facts or personal fears. IS not said lightly, as many people are in dire circumstances and no-one can answer all the questions.

GO for that walk! The countryside/forests are still being mobbed by people but it's been more calm for the last several days = people are keeping their distances and respecting the rules for the most part, at least 95% of them are being good, the other 5% will always be a$$holes regardless.

As a proud American (Despite Trump) & 5-6 years as Swiss, one of the songs that always kept me together through 9/11 and the aftermath, the Great Recession, my own personal HELL of circumstances and now a global pandemic of Coronavirus is "Roll with the Changes" it's basically a symbolic song in some sense, given the state of things, all anyone can do is recognize and adjust.



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Old 24.03.2020, 06:59
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Well it's time to go through a British Childrens Nursery Rhyme with it's deadly historical backgound and meaning.
Here's The Great Plague of London from 1665-1666 summed up in the Childrens nursery - Ring a Ring o' Roses.
Snopes say that's a myth. But I don't agree. I've been taught it's about the great plague since I was a kid, many years ago.

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-the measures taken have had a little impact on growth curve, it's not exponential, but they are expecting a big wave to come.
I don't understand this statement. If it's not exponential, then there has been an impact.

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[SIZE="3"]I am sure glad I kept my Playstation 3 from about 10+ years ago...
My kids have started working out using Wii Sport!
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Old 24.03.2020, 08:54
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I am sure glad I kept my Playstation 3 from about 10+ years ago... still plays the ol' fashion DVD's and some zombie apocalypse games like Fallout 3, without using Internet (been slaughtering them raiders, super mutants & ghouls), just in case the internet goes out and we can't argue anymore on this thread about differences of opinion.

I have an install of Fallout 1, Fallout 2 restoration project and Fallout 3 on my PC. Indeed, there was a time were the internet was not required for playing

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The Corona card system in Denner is so dangerous and meaningless. Take a card with a number. And put it back in the same place when you leave. Full of the whatever from hundreds of customers. Totally stupid .
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Stay home, respect the rules.

Medical staff is risking their lives and you don't want to overload our hospitals. If you're younger, mortality rate is low because you can still get that minimal medical care you'd need. With overloaded hospitals, that won't happen for long.

Stay home. Don't be irresponsible.
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Old 24.03.2020, 09:22
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So much for the European dream...

Italy wonders where Europe’s solidarity is as coronavirus strains show

Germany blocks exports of medical supplies to Rome

When Italy asked for urgent medical supplies under a special European crisis mechanism no EU country responded.

Fearful of its own shortages, Germany initially banned the export of medical masks and other protective gear. 3M, a producer, said the German restrictions had made it impossible to supply the Italian market.

Only 3 countries have sent support to Italy: Russia, China and Cuba
Another footnote in the news which may have escaped people's attention is the sheer number of eastern European nationals that have returned back to their home countries from the rest of Europe in recent weeks. I'm getting ever more unsure that things will return to normal after this crisis is over.
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Old 24.03.2020, 09:28
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Stay home, respect the rules.

Medical staff is risking their lives and you don't want to overload our hospitals. If you're younger, mortality rate is low because you can still get that minimal medical care you'd need. With overloaded hospitals, that won't happen for long.

Stay home. Don't be irresponsible.
Which rules are you referring to?

The only recommendation from Swiss government at this time is 65+ and vulnerable groups needs to stay home.

Everybody else unless they can work from home - they need to keep on working

So every time I am out working and see geezers parading on the sun - they put themselves in danger
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Just in from Rent a Pensioner.

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For once we ask you: don't book a pensioner at Rent a Pensioner and don't look for one or the other for love or leisure activities at Date a Pensioner. Unless it is work that can be done from home or in case it is sometime later, as soon as the crisis is over.

The Federal Council's directive is clear: people over 65 should stay at home because they belong to the most vulnerable target group of the coronavirus.

In order to prevent pensioners at home from getting the ceiling dropped on their heads, we have entered into a number of cooperative arrangements: all pensioners will receive a Teleboy subscription, which would otherwise be subject to a fee, for two months. This allows them - a new feature for many pensioners - to watch television in a staggered manner, to use replay functions and to record their favourite programmes and films. We have also entered into a cooperation with hilf-jetzt.ch. At www.rentayoungster.ch pensioners can look for help with shopping or other things.

If you would like to do something good for a pensioner you may have booked in recent years: call him or her and ask how he or she feels. And whether you can do him or her a favour. That would certainly make him/her happy.

Many thanks for your help!
Kind regards and stay healthy."

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

Sensible of course. Didn't know of the youngster site, is that new?
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Old 24.03.2020, 09:37
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I'm trying to remember how the swine-flu panic ended. For the life of me I can not remember. Does anybody?
Combination of 3 things I believe. Seasonal (spread slowed down in later spring), anti-virals and vaccine.

Flu vaccines can be developed relatively quickly, Coronavirus is something new. Coronavirus looks like spring won't slow it down much and so far there's no clear antivirals.
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