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You need to seek out figures sorted by date of test, not the numbers as of the date of release. Date of testing shows the true time sequence and is flattening....but it's not certain if changes in testing routines have an effect.
There is no public record of when all infected people have given their first sample.
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Old 24.03.2020, 14:38
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For the visual data nerds out there. I've been using this...

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Old 24.03.2020, 14:49
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Numbers all over the place....welcome to the real world

There is a reason for CH to be different to the "worldometers" graphs: small numbers. The smooth graphs are the result of adding cases of whole regions and countries. The larger the scale, the more homogeneous the data looks.

Also, it seems that during weekends the number of new cases is lower on Switzerland.

I would not distrust the data because of these issues. I'd be more worried if the data looked smooth, that's a huge red flag for cooked numbers.
"There is a reason for CH to be different to the "worldometers" graphs: small numbers." The Swiss numbers are sufficiently large to be statistically significant.

"I would not distrust the data because of these issues." I distrust the numbers because the people who publish them confirm there are issues.
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Old 24.03.2020, 14:52
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Daughter 2 has just Skyped in tears as she heard on the News about elderly people found dead or dying, abandonned by staff in several Care Homes in Spain. She used to manage a Care Home and she was totally distraught. Had not heard about this before- this is just dreadful.
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Get into an empty tram and get yourself outside of the city into the forest for a walk. Enjoy!!!
With 2 kids and a lot of drama lama...Nope. I'd use the car anyway. Changed our tires recently just in case. And we are getting out - on our terrace and for shopping. Besides it turns out I still have a lot of work to do, maybe (maybe) on weekend when OH can join us. For the moment I really appreciate those "small" things - eating together, playing, reading etc.

But you made me think you know....I already miss the forest. What a privilege is, to be able to enjoy its beauty. Small things, eh..
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Old 24.03.2020, 15:49
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Spain: 2700 died / 40000 infected = 6.75%
Switzerland: 70 died / 8000 infected = 0.88%

Where does that difference come from?
Maybe Spain has a similar problem as Italy?

Italian coronavirus cases likely '10 times higher than reported' the head of the agency that is collating the data said today.
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Old 24.03.2020, 16:00
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Looking at the data of new cases from across Europe, it seems highly likely we've just hit the peak. If everyone carries on with the social distancing we should be back to a (slightly more anxious and handwashy) normal in a month or so.
I do not trust the data!
Italian coronavirus cases likely '10 times higher than reported' the head of the agency that is collating the data said today.

Probably the death figures are more accurate at the moment because there are many fewer deaths than cases but as the numbers increase then likely the accuracy will fall away.
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In the current press release they now speak of 90 deaths, but these are their own numbers: https://interactif.tdg.ch/2020/covid-19-carte-suisse/ and that one clearly mentions 124 now.

I'd love if they would get their shit together when it comes to numbers.

If you pass away in Switzerland without first filling out the proper form in triplicate, you may not be counted?
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Old 24.03.2020, 16:33
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...and the posts are gone. Thanks mods!

Hope you also put omatstat in the freezer for a couple days
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I do not trust the data!
Italian coronavirus cases likely '10 times higher than reported' the head of the agency that is collating the data said today.

Probably the death figures are more accurate at the moment because there are many fewer deaths than cases but as the numbers increase then likely the accuracy will fall away.
But to be fair, it really does not matter if 330 or 340 people died on a specific day, to me the numbers are more to be able to see how the trend goes.
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Whats the latest in Switzerland today? Have they said anything about flights stopping to London? Dreading how things are going in UK
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Whats the latest in Switzerland today? Have they said anything about flights stopping to London? Dreading how things are going in UK
ATM there is still some traffic going on, but nobody knows for how long. Another question: Are you allowed entrance in Switzerland?
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If you pass away in Switzerland without first filling out the proper form in triplicate, you may not be counted?
As long as you have deregistered from your local Gemeinde/Contrôle des habitants, there shouldn't be a problem.
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Old 24.03.2020, 17:09
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There is no public record of when all infected people have given their first sample.
The BAG reports are mostly on that basis. The reason the BAG data sometimes differs from other sources.

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Old 24.03.2020, 17:11
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A friend in the UK sent me this today. Looks it came from yesterday's stats.

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Spain: 2700 died / 40000 infected = 6.75%
Switzerland: 70 died / 8000 infected = 0.88%

Where does that difference come from?
I will speculate and deal with a very sensitive topic: addictions. If possible read this article https://www.24heures.ch/vaud-regions...story/10802988

A summary of the article above. People with addictions are in higher risk with the virus because they have no home to take refuge, do not follow preventive measures, weak immune system, new border restrictions make more expensive their habitual drugs which leads them to consume even unsafer drugs, drug scarcity might increase violence, etc. An NGO that supports homeless/rough sleepers in Lausanne is worried that drug abuse might be used as a criteria to deny care if hospitals are overloaded.

My speculation is that addiction is related to homelessness, and there are huge differences among countries . The numbers are of course an approximation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ess_population) Spain ~0.1%, Switzerland ~0.01%.

Sorry for bringing attention to uncomfortable topics, but countries with larger numbers of people with addictions living on the streets....the situation is terrifying
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Spain: 2700 died / 40000 infected = 6.75%
Switzerland: 70 died / 8000 infected = 0.88%

Where does that difference come from?
We'd have to wait for any meaningful statistic on deaths in CH because it takes ca. 25 days for a person to die after picking up the virus.

Difference with Spain is the health systems in Madrid (where majority of cases are) and Catalunya are overwhelmed and the numbers have exploded in a large metropolital area. Switzerland doesn't have huge metropolitan clusters and health system is holding on so far (for how much longer is another question).

Death rate is a lot higher when health system is overwhelmed.

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I will speculate and deal with a very sensitive topic: addictions. If possible read this article https://www.24heures.ch/vaud-regions...story/10802988

A summary of the article above. People with addictions are in higher risk with the virus because they have no home to take refuge, do not follow preventive measures, weak immune system, new border restrictions make more expensive their habitual drugs which leads them to consume even unsafer drugs, drug scarcity might increase violence, etc. An NGO that supports homeless/rough sleepers in Lausanne is worried that drug abuse might be used as a criteria to deny care if hospitals are overloaded.

My speculation is that addiction is related to homelessness, and there are huge differences among countries . The numbers are of course an approximation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ess_population) Spain ~0.1%, Switzerland ~0.01%.

Sorry for bringing attention to uncomfortable topics, but countries with larger numbers of people with addictions living on the streets....the situation is terrifying
Considering the data in this link from the Spanish Health admin with breakdown per age in page 2, I do not think addictions (other than tobacco, and this is not a negligible element in relation with respiratory issues especially in male old population) are a factor here.

More important is probably that the virus was roaming around freely without any control for weeks (8th of march there were still normal football games with public and demonstratios for womens day, and Madrid basketball and Valencia football played in Milano that week or the week before), there were not enough protective equipment (gloves, masks) and old age residences have become hot spots for contagion. Staff got infected, spreaded the virus, and when they realised and were quarantained the next issue was the shortage (or absolute absence) of staff to tare care of the people in these residences.
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Old 24.03.2020, 18:18
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I agree in principle but the base numbers have to be reasonably accurate otherwise the trend is false.

Might be old news but University Hospital Zürich has developed a blood test to inform if you have had the virus, seems like a useful tool.
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Bad times I know, but if anybody wants to have a laugh

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