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What is the difference between a lockdown and shutdown?
Shutdown is when most businesses close.

Lockdown is when you are "locked" into your premises (house, apartment).

IIRC.

Lockdown > Shutdown
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we are now the most infected nation

yet today in Migros it was business as usual, a crowd inside and not a single mask to be sighted. no attempt at distancing whatsoever, only to some extent at checkouts because of the tape on the floor. things I saw: four young women, Migros workers, standing crowded around a customer couple discussing some product; a lady with sniffles and cough (no mask) wiping her nose with her fingers and immediately pawing veggies (I now wash avocados etc. with soap when bring them home); a person actually bumped into me while I was standing in the middle of an aisle...

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we are now the most infected nation
In what respect? Maybe there's been an update I missed. If you scroll down this page you get a useful table (sortable by column). CH isn't doing that well, it's true, but 'the most infected'?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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we are now the most infected nation
Did Iceland sink today?
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yet today in Migros it was business as usual, a crowd inside and not a single mask to be sighted. no attempt at distancing whatsoever, only to some extent at checkouts because of the tape on the floor. things I saw: four young women, Migros workers, standing crowded around a customer couple discussing some product; a lady with sniffles and cough (no mask) wiping her nose with her fingers and immediately pawing veggies (I now wash avocados etc. with soap when bring them home); a person actually bumped into me while I was standing in the middle of an aisle...
I've been to Coop and Migros today, Migros only had a bottle without label standing outside, probably disinfectant. That was all, I decided to skip the store.

At Coop I was demanded to wash my hands outside with disinfectant, I was demanded to wear latex gloves that they provided and I had to take a card with a number so they know how many people are in the store. And only after that I was allowed in. Everybody took distance, I waited outside the corridors for somebody else to come out of it instead of passing each other and others did the same, and they had 2 cash registers open to avoid long lines (Local supermarket), I only had one person behind me when I put my stuff on the belt and she stood 3 meters behind me. The guy who helped me had desinfectant for his hands and gave me the opportunity to scan my card and bonuscode myself instead of taking the things from me.

Migros needs to get its shit together.
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In what respect? Maybe there's been an update I missed. If you scroll down this page you get a useful table (sortable by column). CH isn't doing that well, it's true, but 'the most infected'?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Per million inhabitants:
CH: 9877 / 8 mil = 1235
Italy: 69176 / 62 mil = 1116

(I didn't look at micro-population countries and city-states)

Edit: OK, Swiss population is more like 8.5 millions now, it grew since last time I checked! So we're tied with Italy but surely will overtake tomorrow or the day after.
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Per million inhabitants:
CH: 9877 / 8 mil = 1235
Italy: 69176 / 62 mil = 1116

(I didn't look at micro-population countries and city-states)

Edit: OK, Swiss population is more like 8.5 millions now, it grew since last time I checked! So we're tied with Italy but surely will overtake tomorrow or the day after.
And what is your personal definition of "micro-population"?

Surely if we keep making up our own definitions and exclude states according to our own chosen criteria we could say Switzerland has the most. But is that really how it works?????
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At Coop I was demanded to wash my hands outside with disinfectant, I was demanded to wear latex gloves that they provided and I had to take a card with a number so they know how many people are in the store. And only after that I was allowed in. Everybody took distance, I waited outside the corridors for somebody else to come out of it instead of passing each other and others did the same, and they had 2 cash registers open to avoid long lines (Local supermarket), I only had one person behind me when I put my stuff on the belt and she stood 3 meters behind me. The guy who helped me had disinfectant for his hands and gave me the opportunity to scan my card and bonuscode myself instead of taking the things from me.
Migros needs to get its shit together.
I guess it depends on locale, in Effretikon (a bigger "town") the other day there was disinfectant at the door and people were more aware, some even wore masks. Today, in Fehraltorf, no disinfectant in sight and all the wonderful behavior patterns I've described. So it seems to vary...
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And what is your personal definition of "micro-population"?

Surely if we keep making up our own definitions and exclude states according to our own chosen criteria we could say Switzerland has the most. But is that really how it works?????
When the population is small and limited to one tiny geographic area, like a city, it doesn't really make sense to compare to the spreading in "normal" countries with millions of people on some sizable territory. apples with apples

I wonder about Iceland though, it's so isolated and probably has few ICU beds/ventilators, although it could probably just test most of its 300k people, isolate and keep track - should be more feasible than in a large country with spread-out population.

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Our basement's fallout shelter is the laundry drying room!! The door is about 30-40cm thick and permanently propped open - the windows (also permanently open) have thick metal covers that just hang down. It was really creepy the first few times I went down to do laundry. Nothing stored in there but a drying rack and clothespins, though! (The housekeeping-couple has their entire keller full of water, wine, and food - even before this craziness)
You're actually required by law to keep provisions and some other stuff in your keller for this type of situations (they were thinking of nuclear wars back then), there was a list somewhere I might find a bit later.

A few years ago we amused ourselves by buying some canned stuff but we gradually used it. Never did hamster shopping, never took signifiant more than necessary (that was wrong, thinking most everyone else has common sense too).
But we have wines (that's my husband's vision of necessities during confinement, he expanded his collection in the last weeks). And detergents. (mine)
I wish we had shelves with home preserves, nicely aligned and aired, smoked sausages and bacon, and a barrel of sauerkraut like they have back home. Some Efers were always making fun of Eastern Europeans' love for cabbage, who's laughing now eh. I'm kidding...

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Old 25.03.2020, 08:27
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we are now the most infected nation

yet today in Migros it was business as usual, a crowd inside and not a single mask to be sighted. no attempt at distancing whatsoever, only to some extent at checkouts because of the tape on the floor. things I saw: four young women, Migros workers, standing crowded around a customer couple discussing some product; a lady with sniffles and cough (no mask) wiping her nose with her fingers and immediately pawing veggies (I now wash avocados etc. with soap when bring them home); a person actually bumped into me while I was standing in the middle of an aisle...
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Did Iceland sink today?

I've been to Coop and Migros today, Migros only had a bottle without label standing outside, probably disinfectant. That was all, I decided to skip the store.

At Coop I was demanded to wash my hands outside with disinfectant, I was demanded to wear latex gloves that they provided and I had to take a card with a number so they know how many people are in the store. And only after that I was allowed in. Everybody took distance, I waited outside the corridors for somebody else to come out of it instead of passing each other and others did the same, and they had 2 cash registers open to avoid long lines (Local supermarket), I only had one person behind me when I put my stuff on the belt and she stood 3 meters behind me. The guy who helped me had desinfectant for his hands and gave me the opportunity to scan my card and bonuscode myself instead of taking the things from me.

Migros needs to get its shit together.
That seems to depend on the Canton!

In Vaud, Coop has major issues with deliveries, and some aisles are empty. I visited several Coop around my place, and it was impossible to find milk or cleaning products.

In our parts, there’s a securitas at the entrance of every Migros, asking you to disinfect your hands before entering. Numbers are filtered so that there can’t be too many people inside at the same time. We have to queue outside, 2m apart from each other. And many people wear masks and gloves.

Plus Migros here are well stocked, much better than Coop.
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Another footnote in the news which may have escaped people's attention is the sheer number of eastern European nationals that have returned back to their home countries from the rest of Europe in recent weeks. I'm getting ever more unsure that things will return to normal after this crisis is over.
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So I have now heard from multiple universities in different cantons, that they are planning full shutdown measures come this Friday (27.03.2020) after some meetings today. They seemed surprised at the move, as they were all basically already shut down so it seems like its a coordinated affair from government.
Surprising if it comes. They switched to classes over video since March 16. The amount of personnel still going to universities should be very low. Bachelor students zero I think.

Some things come to mind around how bad a full shutdown could be. Biologists have plants and animals that still need to take care of. UniBern works in space missions with spacecrafts with limited operational lifetimes.There must be other research work that will be destroyed for a full shutdown.

Also, what are the gains? People working in labs already live a life of social distancing (personal experience)
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Surprising if it comes. They switched to classes over video since March 16. The amount of personnel still going to universities should be very low. Bachelor students zero I think.

Some things come to mind around how bad a full shutdown could be. Biologists have plants and animals that still need to take care of. UniBern works in space missions with spacecrafts with limited operational lifetimes.There must be other research work that will be destroyed for a full shutdown.

Also, what are the gains? People working in labs already live a life of social distancing (personal experience)
I know from Southern Germany, all biological experiments that wouldn't survive an extended lockdown were all ended. A colleague of a colleague had a rough couple days of terminating mice a few weeks ago.

We're fighting against that move, but it looks like many of my colleagues experiments are about to end on Friday...

Thing is some people are still going to campus, to work in their offices, on machines etc. I guess they want to bring this number to near 0, expect of course to maintain machines or to maintain safety.
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This lockdown is starting to feel a lot like Christmas time.

What day is it? No idea!
Is it OK to still be in your pyjamas at 2pm? Sure!
Shall we eat some chocolate? Why not!
Too early for a drink? Go for it!
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Some things come to mind around how bad a full shutdown could be. Biologists have plants and animals that still need to take care of. UniBern works in space missions with spacecrafts with limited operational lifetimes.There must be other research work that will be destroyed for a full shutdown.
I would hope universities here are doing what is happening back home.

My sister and BIL are professors at a US university. The university is shut down - that is all students have been sent home, as have admins, facilities staff. Professors and researchers who can are working from home. Teaching continues broadcast online. Those who have research projects requiring them to be in the lab had to apply for clearance to do so, and strict safety, hygiene, disinfectant protocols are followed. Not a big change, as many of these kinds of projects require those protocols anyway. Animals are being cared for as usual.

Clearly those working on vaccine research and any project that could impact the fight against the pandemic remain fully staffed. (And hopefully funded,)



ETA:

Having just written the above detailing the responsible way a large public university is handling the crisis, I just read that Liberty University, the evangelical university led by Jerry Falwell Jr has decided to allow the students back into the dorms to take classes online. Falwell had vowed to keep the university open, business as usual, but was forced to move online when the governor of Virginia banned large gatherings.

The mayor of Lynchburg VA, where Liberty is located, has condemned the move to re-open as reckless..

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/liber...b620022ab2ae9d

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Social distancing says that they can't congregate, should be alright to unleash them. Then again they might like the leash.
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