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People under 50 with no preexisting conditions are currently intubated in many ICUs around the country. The fact you are less likely to die of COVID if you are young and healthy doesn't mean there's no risk at all of it happening.
Stanford Epidemology Professor Ioannidis has made a study (albeit from only 700 samples) and quantified the age related deaths of the corona virus in the region between 0.025% and 0.625% which numbers are more less the same as a simple flu

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...reliable-data/

So you aren't really any more at risk today from Corona than last year from the Flu
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Re: Coronavirus

That's not the empirical evidence of my colleagues working in the ICU. Young intubated patients currently have an estimated mortality rate of 60-80% right now in Swiss ICUs. So sure it's empirical, we won't have actual numbers for quite a while. But COVID is not comparable to the flu.


The flu has 0.1% mortality rate. By conservative estimates COVID's mortality rate is 30 times higher at about 3%.
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Old 26.03.2020, 16:37
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That's not the empirical evidence of my colleagues working in the ICU. Young intubated patients currently have an estimated mortality rate of 60-80% right now in Swiss ICUs. So sure it's empirical, we won't have actual numbers for quite a while. But COVID is not comparable to the flu.


The flu has 0.1% mortality rate. By conservative estimates COVID's mortality rate is 30 times higher at about 3%.
Wow, your Swiss collegaues told you that?

Funny, because at the moment most ICU beds in Switzerland are empty.

Only 3 out of 100 are occupied.

https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/aarga...emie-137332716

Where are those young intubated patients? In BS there were 3 deaths with preconditions, 66, 73 and 100 years old

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That's not because they are millenials. That's because the age they are now. When I was their age, I did exactly the same.
Maybe you took only one trip in your life - to Switzerland and got stuck.


So the next problem will be caused by lack of condoms. That would be HIV and/or more overpopulation.


Every time I return home from doing things that need to be done, I continuously sneeze, I got a got this thing in my throat I try to cough out and my eyes are itching.
And it's not corona, it's hey fever which either hits me badly this year or I react worse because I'm not allowed to let my body put up/get used to it.
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The lead doctor in Germany has today advised everyone to wear a mask when leaving their home. He also advises to improvise and make own masks rather than use masks needed for medical workers.

I still remember when people laughed at me at the beginning of February when I said I'd bought two boxes of masks!
A doctor in Switzerland who was interviewed by Kassensturz said the exact opposite. Leave the masks to the medical staff, etc. Producing your own from paper or cloth is nonsense.
Also wearing a mask just in daily life is worse than not as you will touch the mask ... touch your face .... touch your eyes etc.
This doctor said the safest thing to do is to keep those two meters distance.

So now wie have a 50/50. And what does that tell us? It all comes down to self-responsibility (again ). Do as you want to do if it makes you feel better (and if it's only psychologically) wear a mask. But leave those who decide something else be.

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Someone thinking you're panicking does not indicate they are in denial.

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Can't help but to laugh how Putin is trolling everybody, they even wrote "From Russia with love" on the army trucks

The trucks were meant to arrive on Valentine's day.
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meanwhile, the Russian army (safely escorted by Fiat Puntos) in Italy: https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/sta...319147521?s=20

Yes, it is a PR stunt but would this have happened if the EU could manage and lead a crisis?
No - this is serious - just look how the Russians enforced the last lockdown in a small isolated American
coastal town in The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming !!

Yes - These are the Russians we need to enforce the lockdown in our neighbourhood !!

Here's the Russians doing their bit - Emergency !! everbody to get from Street
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Now when someone approaches me on the street I just see a virus in human form. Thats crazy!
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Better stay at home then, no?
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Better stay at home then, no?
I close my eyes. That helps but its dangerous.I'm even worried about saying Gruezi in case I should spit out saliva trying to say it correctly!
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That's not the empirical evidence of my colleagues working in the ICU. Young intubated patients currently have an estimated mortality rate of 60-80% right now in Swiss ICUs. So sure it's empirical, we won't have actual numbers for quite a while. But COVID is not comparable to the flu.


The flu has 0.1% mortality rate. By conservative estimates COVID's mortality rate is 30 times higher at about 3%.
Article from New England Journal of Medicine

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This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
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Re: Coronavirus

Can some of the joggers please realise that running up behind someone, about a millimetre away from them whilst overtaking them on a shared footpath is the polar opposite of social distancing!? I went for a walk today by myself and whilst trying to keep my distance from joggers, I found them to be blowing their lungs all over the place and coming too close to, not just me but other people too!
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Article from New England Journal of Medicine



https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387
You still have to explain to us that if this is just another flu why Italy which is ahead of us needs army trucks to be able to dispose of the bodies, never seen them do that with the flu.

Just a straight answer please this time and not another irrelevant link or dumb comparison.
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Wow, your Swiss collegaues told you that?

Funny, because at the moment most ICU beds in Switzerland are empty.

Only 3 out of 100 are occupied.

https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/aarga...emie-137332716

Where are those young intubated patients? In BS there were 3 deaths with preconditions, 66, 73 and 100 years old



https://www.nau.ch/ort/basel/drei-we...stadt-65684099


I don't get it. A week ago you were screeching about how the numbers were incomplete and now you think COVID is the flu. What happened? In case you missed it, the wave has not yet hit Swiss hospitals. Patients usually get worse after about 1 week of illness and then we still keep them out of the ICU for as long as possible. So the ICU patients of today were tested 10-14 days ago. The patient who have died so far were tested 3 to 4 weeks ago.
And need I remind you Switzerland is not just Aargau? Geneva's ICU are filling up nice and quick, don't you worry.
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Can some of the joggers please realise that running up behind someone, about a millimetre away from them whilst overtaking them on a shared footpath is the polar opposite of social distancing!? I went for a walk today by myself and whilst trying to keep my distance from joggers, I found them to be blowing their lungs all over the place and coming too close to, not just me but other people too!
Just yell at them . They are egotists!
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Re: Coronavirus

Fauci quotes R0 of 2.2 but I have seen it higher (4.1 from Hubei) - I think we are not there yet to assess what that number truly is

Tbh, the conclusions (even preliminary) in the editorial is a little shocking IMHO but perhaps political when you factor in the likely pressure from government
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Can't help but to laugh how Putin is trolling everybody, they even wrote "From Russia with love" on the army trucks


Come one, Russia would not send that help just for the flu. Make up your mind, is it just the flu or not?
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We will never know if we managed to avoid catastrophe because or in spite of all these measures. The original estimates were based on us doing 'nothing', so the question is whether this response was proportionate?
This. When we look back, we will never have accurate numbers to review. Every country has its own way of testing, treating, and counting illnesses, recoveries, and deaths. Several have changed these procedures along the way.

As one of the articles linked above stated, it's not crystal clear how many patients died with Covid19 vs from Covid19. That's going to be true in the future, not just today.
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Come one, Russia would not send that help just for the flu. Make up your mind, is it just the flu or not?
I would take it with no questions asked, just like Bond took it in 'From Russia with Love'.


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Damage limitation and crisis management are on the right track. Now the Federal Council must work out as quickly as it wants to normalize the situation again. The extensive shutdown with the restriction of the basic rights of the population made sense. But the emergency and its measures cannot be justified until the end of April, neither the closure of construction sites and industrial plants, nor that of schools.

Conversely, some epidemiologists say it might even make sense for the boys to go through the disease - otherwise the virus could keep appearing for a year and a half. And obliging efficient people who are hardly or no longer at risk from the virus to do nothing does not seem to make economic sense, nor is it understandable under the rule of law.
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Come one, Russia would not send that help just for the flu. Make up your mind, is it just the flu or not?
Oh no, flu is much more deadly than corona.

According to WHO, up to 650,000 people die from flu each year!

Corona so far around 22,000

But you don't see those 650k in breaking news

Putin is sending those trucks as a PR stunt, nothing else
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