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And some private companies are stupid and require people to come to work even if everything can be done remotely (and the employees have been doing that for the last couple of days)......

According to the German saying: Vertrauen ist gut, Kontrolle ist besser (to trust is ok, to control is better)

Which means that despite being in a risk group, I have to work 50% of the time in the office
I always say: if you don't trust your employees, then why hire them?
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Old 28.03.2020, 10:24
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I thought the Swiss take official recommendations seriously and don't look to fool authorities because they won't be caught...
How can you be caught if you're not doing anything forbidden?

And a little something to read. Why staying home is merely a recommendation.
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Old 28.03.2020, 10:30
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How can you be caught if you're not doing anything forbidden?
I don't understand what Greenmount is trying to say either.

People are allowed to go for a walk, or a run, or a bike ride here.

They are also allowed to do so in countries with lock-downs such as Italy in France.

The authorities know, and appreciate that exercises improves mood, boosts the immune system and keeps the population (more) healthy.

I guess there are problems if everyone goes for their walk after lunch and so people need to use a bit of common sense.
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Old 28.03.2020, 10:53
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I don't understand what Greenmount is trying to say either.
He is trying to say that the Swiss follow the rules because they think the government has made them for good reasons and there is a very decent amount of trust in the government and not to avoid a possible fine.
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Old 28.03.2020, 10:55
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He is trying to say that the Swiss follow the rules because they think the government has made them for good reasons and there is a very decent amount of trust in the government and not to avoid a possible fine.
I was referring to the bit about goes for a stroll.
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Old 28.03.2020, 11:10
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I was referring to the bit about goes for a stroll.
Just going for a stroll is that allowed everywhere in Italy?
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Old 28.03.2020, 11:17
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"For the little woman"!

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What I see is the “big” talkers saying...

“Just solve the problem” with a cool YT dance to go with it.

In other words they dont have a clue either.

Being cool “solves problems”, until that is, the problem really arrives. Then the “Big” talkers vanish off to receive their YT payment or wherever the money comes from.

Anyone who uses fear better have their own house in order if they want use it in the office. I have seen many pretenders go down in flames when I was a sailing instructor. No hiding behind BS in that job.
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Old 28.03.2020, 11:46
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I don't understand what Greenmount is trying to say either. People are allowed to go for a walk, or a run, or a bike ride here.

They are also allowed to do so in countries with lock-downs such as Italy in France....
I agree it's a bit confusing but my understanding is that it's OK to go for a local walk in open countryside, or around the streets as long as you observe the social distancing. What the authorities don't want is people going off for day-long hikes or family excursions.

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Old 28.03.2020, 11:49
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Just going for a stroll is that allowed everywhere in Italy?
Everywhere except Lombardy - at the moment.

Perhaps "going for a stroll" is the wrong phrase to use as it conjures up images of elderly couples out walking en masse and stopping to talk to everyone along the way.
That is not allowed.
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It will keep anyone safe, too, if they stay home.
True - here were just about to enter our third week of Lockdown and therefore to keep myself gamely occupied while protecting
the family at the same time - I've been following the instructions of that indispensible book with complimentary Youtube video's
called - Protect and Survive - a treasure trove of useful tips of how to protect you & your family against nuclear attack and
radioactive fallout.

Which I find is coming into it's own again, if you replace the words 'radioactive fallout' with 'Coronavirus fallout' anyway
I've reached chapter 6 of the video called Building an Inner Refuge where last night, I removed the various doors
of the apartment, to create a lean-to that forms the basis of my 'inner refuge' before covering the outside lean-to with
heavy material, like luggage bags and sandbags as instructed in Protect and Survive.

Well so far, so good and its beginning to 'look the business' therefore as it was getting late, I retired to bed in order
to carry on in the morning, only to be awoken about 7am by my infant daughters who were making an awful lot of
noise with a hive of activity going on in the living room, where my 'inner refuge' was taking shape.

So I got up to see what was going on - only to find they had been turned it into a Wendy House !!

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Old 28.03.2020, 12:05
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What the authorities don't want is people going off for day-long hikes or family excursions.
That's how I interpret "stay at home". I did go over to my son's place with my jump leads to start his car... but I washed my hands afterwards.
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Old 28.03.2020, 12:13
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I agree it's a bit confusing but my understanding is that it's OK to go for a local walk in open countryside, or around the streets as long as you're observe the social distancing. What the authorities don't want is people going off for day-long hikes or family excursions.
That's the advantage I notice about living in the campagne, in many ways you almost are not aware that the world is in the middle of a pandemic. We bike & take walks - everyday has a feel of a Sunday afternoon

Pop into town & you're brought straight back to reality
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Old 28.03.2020, 12:22
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True - here were just about to enter our third week of Lockdown and therefore to keep myself gamely occupied while protecting
the family at the same time - I've been following the instructions of that indispensible book with complimentary Youtube video's
called - Protect and Survive - a treasure trove of useful tips of how to protect you & your family against nuclear attack and
radioactive fallout.

Which I find is coming into it's own again, if you replace the words 'radioactive fallout' with 'Coronavirus fallout' anyway
I've reached chapter 6 of the video called Building an Inner Refuge where last night, I removed the various doors
of the apartment, to create a lean-to that forms the basis of my 'inner refuge' before covering the outside lean-to with
heavy material, like luggage bags and sandbags as instructed in Protect and Survive.

Well so far, so good and its beginning to 'look the business' therefore as it was getting late, I retired to bed in order
to carry on in the morning, only to be awoken about 7am by my infant daughters who were making an awful lot of
noise with a hive of activity going on in the living room, where my 'inner refuge' was taking shape.

So I got up to see what was going on - only to find they had been turned it into a Wendy House !!

You sound like a cool dad. Making bunkers indoors was our favorite past time, we usually got scolded though. We should have rationalized them as Inner Refuge. Duh.

How about a tree house refuge? If it's on your yard? A bit cold, I guess.

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Old 28.03.2020, 13:05
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Noticed people are really avoiding each other to the extent they deviate from the pavement right on to the road and risk getting hit by cars or bikes
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Old 28.03.2020, 13:28
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"viral overload" attractive sounding theory but is there any evidence to support it? For me, it is more likely their immune systems are weakened by extreme overwork plus people who are tired get careless.
True, but it's increasingly appearing that the viral load exposure at the point of infection has a relationship to how the virus progresses in an individual. Obviously, it's going to be a long, long time before anything concrete is proven. https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...id-19-11963393

One thing that I find disturbing is a person can have the virus, the virus load follows the usual pattern of increase and decline, but the subject under observation remains entirely asymptomatic throughout, including on CT chest images. That's one hell of a double edged sword. (Check page 7 - Infection in asymptomatic individuals - in this doc https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/def...e-COVID-19.pdf ).
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Just going for a stroll is that allowed everywhere in Italy?
I read this morning that it's limited to the block that you live on. In Ireland, they've introduced a 2km from home limit to daily exercise as part of the lockdown they began the other day, but this doesn't include for food shopping.
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Old 28.03.2020, 13:38
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True, but it's increasingly appearing that the viral load exposure at the point of infection has a relationship to how the virus progresses in an individual.
It does make sense, if you are continually being exposed to it like the young doctor in Wuhan then your chances aren't that good.

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information contradictions over COV19?

I'd like to ask someone with medical know-how to please clarify the following two points which seem like a contradiction in the information given to the public:

1. Only go to the Hospital in "grave" condition i.e. high fever, shortness of breath, call first and don't simply show up. This makes a lot of sense, however I've also seen some doctors recommending to treat the disease early before it's too late because when it's too late there is little they can do ... aren't these two contradictory?

2. When someone gets the virus and experience only mild symptoms develops antibodies i.e. becomes immune to the virus. Then doctors also say that depends not only on whether you are exposed but also how much exposure you had to the virus (e.g. someone coughs directly on you streaming and making you inhale 3k contaminated droplets) and your body becomes overwhelmed to fight back, and thus you may get a severe infection. Again another contradiction or? if you become immune by any exposure level then it should not matter how much exposure you get or? This theory of little vs. a lot of exposure may explain why some doctors despite being young die ... but I see a bit of a contradiction here or?

Anyways I didn't want to call the Hospital and bother them with my silly questions ... maybe there is someone here who knows and can help. As I see it, we've all had it or will have it at some point, it's just a matter of time and the measures are just there not to overwhelm the health system out of capacity.
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I read this morning that it's limited to the block that you live on. In Ireland, they've introduced a 2km from home limit to daily exercise as part of the lockdown they began the other day, but this doesn't include for food shopping.
Radius of 200m from your home in Italy, 1km and 1 hour max in France. I was stopped and checked the other day by the police (in France) while I was out for a run - they checked my exact distance from home and I was at 950m (I thought the limit was 2km). I was told I could go another 50m and then I had to go home or I'd be fined.



Apologies if this repeats information already found in the thread!
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The 21 year old girl with no precondition that died from Corona virus... Didn't die from Corona virus. She simply had a cough, so everybody suspected she died of Corona

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...vid-19-related
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