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Data has been updated today. There are various (sometimes good) reasons why faxes are still being used - not only in CH.
That is why data is still missing from places.
The link you've provided is pretty much in accordance with worldometer. As a matter of fact, worldometer derives its data from that particular link.
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Re: Coronavirus

By the looks of it the panicking and disorganized Italian health system has killed more people than coronavirus

Italian MP is asking why patients from Lombardia where the hospitals are overloaded are being sent to Germany for treatment, while the hospitals in Verona which are located 30 minutes away are staying empty?

https://www.giornaledibrescia.it/bre...rona-1.3468999

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In Brescia and Bergamo - he continues - people die from the saturation of places, and in Veneto two thirds of the intensive care beds are still free. We have to send patients to Germany, when there would be ample availability a stone's throw from here. All this is meaningless and unacceptable, possible that no one answers, possible that we cannot break this invisible wall now, immediately, in these hours? I really believe that the regionalization driven by healthcare will have to be completely rethought, once this emergency is over
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That is why data is still missing from places.
The link you've provided is pretty much in accordance with worldometer. As a matter of fact, worldometer derives its data from that particular link.
  • Data can be submitted electronically (at least when I last checked).
  • BAG updates once a day, with the data as of 8.00 of the same day. Other sources update continually.
  • BAG takes the day of the test/sample collection into account, worldofmeter and the website I posted earlier seem to look at day when reported. This becomes apparent when looking at cases per day, which can be significantly different as reported by the BAG vs other sources. E.g. look at the data now: total cases 16176 (BAG), 16186 (worldofmeter); new cases on March 30th: 36 (BAG), 1093 (worldofmeter).
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new cases on March 30th: 36 (BAG), 1093 (worldofmeter).[/LIST]
36 is amount of new deaths, not amount of new cases
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Old 31.03.2020, 18:55
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Re: Coronavirus

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, crafty lawyers try to bail their clients out of prison because......coronavirus is risky even for people younger than 60 YO https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8...of-coronavirus

This part of the bail request is precious :



Sharing data or an opinion is fine. But there are lots of people out there manipulating the current events to their personal gain.
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Old 31.03.2020, 18:57
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Re: Coronavirus

Had a look at the statistics in Berlin, surprisingly the amount of patients in the age bracket 35-59 was much higher than the age bracket 60-80 in some areas.

Did the older people "social distance" much earlier?
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Old 31.03.2020, 19:03
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Re: Coronavirus

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  • Data can be submitted electronically (at least when I last checked).
  • BAG updates once a day, with the data as of 8.00 of the same day. Other sources update continually.
  • BAG takes the day of the test/sample collection into account, worldofmeter and the website I posted earlier seem to look at day when reported. This becomes apparent when looking at cases per day, which can be significantly different as reported by the BAG vs other sources. E.g. look at the data now: total cases 16176 (BAG), 16186 (worldofmeter); new cases on March 30th: 36 (BAG), 1093 (worldofmeter).

On a second thought, BAG/OFSP choice of presenting data according to sampling day provides a better panorama of what happens. The nice colors at corona-data.ch are just nice colors.
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Old 31.03.2020, 19:04
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  • Data can be submitted electronically (at least when I last checked).
  • BAG updates once a day, with the data as of 8.00 of the same day. Other sources update continually.
  • BAG takes the day of the test/sample collection into account, worldofmeter and the website I posted earlier seem to look at day when reported. This becomes apparent when looking at cases per day, which can be significantly different as reported by the BAG vs other sources. E.g. look at the data now: total cases 16176 (BAG), 16186 (worldofmeter); new cases on March 30th: 36 (BAG), 1093 (worldofmeter).
Worldometer gets updated frequently throughout the day.

BAG releases not updated figures from previous day. See PDF, figure 1, where it lists the 30th with low numbers. This document was released today at 8am on this website.
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Old 31.03.2020, 19:14
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Re: Coronavirus

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  • Data can be submitted electronically (at least when I last checked).
  • BAG updates once a day, with the data as of 8.00 of the same day. Other sources update continually.
  • BAG takes the day of the test/sample collection into account, worldofmeter and the website I posted earlier seem to look at day when reported. This becomes apparent when looking at cases per day, which can be significantly different as reported by the BAG vs other sources. E.g. look at the data now: total cases 16176 (BAG), 16186 (worldofmeter); new cases on March 30th: 36 (BAG), 1093 (worldofmeter).
Worldometers.com
new cases today worldwide 43,457
new deaths today worldwide 2,960

new cases today Switzerland 264
new deaths today Switzerland 36
and the day is not yet over

Where did you find 1,093 (worldometer) ?
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Old 31.03.2020, 19:16
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Worldometers.com
new cases today worldwide 43,457
new deaths today worldwide 2,960

new cases today Switzerland 264
new deaths today Switzerland 36
and the day is not yet over

Where did you find 1,093 (worldometer) ?
Click on Switzerland, then hover over 30th.
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Old 31.03.2020, 19:24
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Click on Switzerland, then hover over 30th.
Thanks, that works

But when I click on Switzerland, then hover over 30th for daily deaths I get 59, not 36? Rhetorical question.
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Old 31.03.2020, 19:26
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Had a look at the statistics in Berlin, surprisingly the amount of patients in the age bracket 35-59 was much higher than the age bracket 60-80 in some areas.

Did the older people "social distance" much earlier?
Yes. Older people have many disadvantages in life just by being older. But bracketing those out, for a moment, they do have one big advantage over younger people, with regard to social distancing: no-one keeps barking at them to get back to work.

Unlike your situation, where your employer requires of you to travel up and down to work in an office doing exactly what you can do effectively at home. It's absurd.

And unlike many other non-old people, whose work simply cannot be done from home, at all.
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Thanks, that works

But when I click on Switzerland, then hover over 30th for daily deaths I get 59, not 36? Rhetorical question.
50 reported yesterday which was the 30th, today reported 36.

Difference between how the two report is also that BAG tends to report those confirmed by Geneva, Worldometer simply crawls the data including those who did not have a 2nd test yet and shows them on the date the cantons reported them.

Just stick to one, the general trend is more important than a single high or low.
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What are those numbers- confirmed and tested numbers? Doctor/hospital treated cases? Or anyone who reports any symptoms? It is the beginning of allergy season with so many trees bursting in pollen, causing similar symptoms. And also colds/flu.

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Old 31.03.2020, 20:10
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Re: Coronavirus

Those in quarantine in France - runners, can you do the 1km from the house a few times?
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In Switzerland people get a test in their local hospital, if positive they are reported by the kantons and will get a second test for confirmation by the reference lab in Geneva, if Geneva also confirms it (which always/almost always happens) the BAG considers it an officially confirmed case.

People with no positive test results are not shown in the numbers this regardless of how many symptoms they might have.
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Re: Coronavirus

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What are thos numbers- confirmed and tested numbers? Doctor/hospital treated cases? Or anyone who reports any symptoms? It is the beginning of allergy season with so many trees bursting in pollen, causing similar symptoms. And also colds/flu.
No, people who report symptoms are not counted in the statistics, even when it is fairly clear (for example to their doctors, whom they might speak to over the phone) that their illness is very likely to be corona/covid.

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People with no positive test results are not shown in the numbers this regardless of how many symptoms they might have.
Yes, and this means, of course, that many more people who are very likely infected, never show up in any of the statistics.

In Switzerland, upon death, a doctor's certificate is required declaring the cause of death. Even so, people who die without having had a test before death, are not then tested after death. In such a case, a doctor can certify only something else, e.g. respiratory failure, or some such.

In effect, these people do not get tested and therefore do not enter the statistics:
  • anyone who becomes ill from corona but whose symptoms, whether mild or severe, remain managable at home until such time as they recover
  • anyone whose symptoms become severe but who elects to die at home instead of going to hospital.

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Old 31.03.2020, 20:30
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Those in quarantine in France - runners, can you do the 1km from the house a few times?
Hey, girl! You can just keep running around your house within 1km, but only for one hour. Then it is back inside for you. Bicycles are done. Interdit. Dog walking has now been limited to within 100m of your house.


Grocery, pharmacie shopping, you have two hours but only one person can go.


No two people in a car, ever, including small children. Only exceptions are if you are transporting someone who cannot drive to a medical appointment or taking kids to the other parent for visitation. In these circumstances, the other passenger must sit in the back seat opposite from the driver.
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Hey, girl! You can just keep running around your house within 1km, but only for one hour. Then it is back inside for you. Bicycles are done. Interdit. Dog walking has now been limited to within 100m of your house.


Grocery, pharmacie shopping, you have two hours but only one person can go.


No two people in a car, ever, including small children. Only exceptions are if you are transporting someone who cannot drive to a medical appointment or taking kids to the other parent for visitation. In these circumstances, the other passenger must sit in the back seat opposite from the driver.

Wow, where do you get his info from? Is this Switzerland?
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Wow, where do you get his info from? Is this Switzerland?
No, not Switzerland. "The Spouse" lives in France.
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