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Old 02.04.2020, 18:18
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:20
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the topic was the feasibility and economic consequences of extended shutdowns. So yes, which group is statistically most affected from a health perspective matters.
You do see the danger of viewing any group of the populace as being expendable or surplus to requirements?
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:21
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You have judged them non viable. Yesterday the BBC touched on some of the points mentioned about long term effects.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654

I'm not saying open the lockdown, this is the second time I've mentioned this. I'm saying the lockdown should not go on so long as to disproportionally damage the future. You say all experts agree on a temporary lockdown, cool, do they all agree on keeping it for 3, 6, 9, 18 months?

Yes those businesses will need people. As shown by the figures the vast majority of people will not have died from the virus and will still need jobs.

If their goal is to prevent Coronavirus related deaths, then those experts are spot on. I'd like to hear from the economic experts, or the cancer experts, or all the other things which are currently on hold which could have a negative impact later.

Cabin fever hasn't kicked in yet, fear of being jobless in a collapsed industry has.
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:24
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You do see the danger of viewing any group of the populace as being expendable or surplus to requirements?
Where did I say expendable?

And do you still not see that you are not exempt or excluded from that economy you seem to despise and that shutting down for a long time would eventually mean you got nothing left? Maybe for you personally this timeframe is much longer. For billions of others, it’s not a very long timeframe.
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:31
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And do you still not see that you are not exempt or excluded from that economy you seem to despise and that shutting down for a long time would eventually mean you got nothing left? Maybe for you personally this timeframe is much longer. Not for billions of others.
Despise? You're making it up now and I'm not playing ball.
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:31
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Where did I say expendable?

And do you still not see that you are not exempt or excluded from that economy you seem to despise and that shutting down for a long time would eventually mean you got nothing left? Maybe for you personally this timeframe is much longer. For billions of others, it’s not a very long timeframe.
There are more scenarios than just shutting down or wait-n-see. I am sure people warming up to them now.
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:36
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There are more scenarios than just shutting down or wait-n-see. I am sure people warming up to them now.
Oh of course - been advocating a slow restart post-Easter here for a while - but some people seem to think if you dare to look at the economic side of things and suggest options related to ramping up the economy, it essentially means you want to throw the whole population into immediate demise.
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Drove wifey to Zurich main hospital today (to remove cast from her arm) and saw plenty of people strolling around the downtown, alone and in groups. Young people seem to have figured a life-hack: get take-out food and go sit at tables in front of closed cafes (saw many groups like that, bunching up right next to one another)
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:51
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Drove wifey to Zurich main hospital today (to remove cast from her arm) and saw plenty of people strolling around the downtown, alone and in groups. Young people seem to have figured a life-hack: get take-out food and go sit at tables in front of closed cafes (saw many groups like that, bunching up right next to one another)
I called the police this afternoon, to report a gathering of about 10 youths and constantly increasing, as I watched them from my balcony. Making a small party with music and beer, not caring whatsoever about social distancing.

The police arrived within 3 minutes, and all was good. Happy days.
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:52
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Oh of course - been advocating a slow restart post-Easter here for a while - but some people seem to think if you dare to look at the economic side of things and suggest options related to ramping up the economy, it essentially means you want to throw the whole population into immediate demise.
En plus, timing is so important. And synchronisation. Sequencing of measures. In my opinion, we are not even yet in the profound crisis management phase, that I think will still come. Combine it with the fact that now we are feeling consequences of our behavior 1wh/2wks/3wks ago, it is hard to see the connection for a lot of anxious people. Danger makes one live one day at a time, thinking weeks and months ahead is tough.

I don't think it is a conflict of health vs econony, but both are being extremely interconnected.
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Old 02.04.2020, 18:59
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Aaaw, has it brightened up your dull little life a bit then? Goody.
I can assure you my life is anything other than dull. And when people collect in groups then they will close off all these areas where one can go to sit and relax.

So glad I pissed these people off!
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I called the police this afternoon, to report a gathering of about 10 youths and constantly increasing, as I watched them from my balcony. Making a small party with music and beer, not caring whatsoever about social distancing.

The police arrived within 3 minutes, and all was good. Happy days.
You did well. Join the club of people who care!! Not like some others here.
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Old 02.04.2020, 19:00
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En plus, timing is so important. And synchronisation. Sequencing of measures. In my opinion, we are not even yet in the profound crisis management phase, that I think will still come. Combine it with the fact that now we are feeling consequences of our behavior 1wh/2wks/3wks ago, it is hard to see the connection for a lot of anxious people.

I don't think it is a conflict of health vs econony, but both are being extremely interconnected.
Given the world is deeply divided, I don't anticipate much synchronization. We surely haven't seen much so far.

Agree it's not an either or. I never saw it that way, it's being spun that way, and some would probably claim I spin it that way for others as well. So far we have utterly neglected the economy. This is no longer an option. Now it's time to look at the connections, their mutual dependencies, and about finding a balance between the two. And the cherry on top would be to look at the political landscape too, but I guess that's probably too high an expectation.
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Old 02.04.2020, 19:02
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I can assure you my life is anything other than dull. And when people collect in groups then they will close off all these areas where one can go to sit and relax.

So glad I pissed these people off!
You're a model citizen!
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Old 02.04.2020, 19:11
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In this case yes!
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Oh of course - been advocating a slow restart post-Easter here for a while - but some people seem to think if you dare to look at the economic side of things and suggest options related to ramping up the economy, it essentially means you want to throw the whole population into immediate demise.
Nah, I guess everyone would like to learn about how to do that safely. If it comes at an unnecessary or avoidable cost....yes, I can see why no-one is interested. Yet. I think you're very optimistic about post-Easter, it is way too early. And no-one advocated for the shutdown of all economical activities. Obviously some of them cannot be shut down.

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So far we have utterly neglected the economy. This is no longer an option..
On the contrary, we have postponed taking a few necessary measures because of the said economy, that's why we are where we are now.
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Old 02.04.2020, 19:21
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In this case yes!
Does that have anything to do with you being a health care provider by any chance?
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This is a fantastic example of media pushing you to think what THEY want you to think IRRELEVANT of what the actual research claims. Now, bear with me for a second.

Article title: Is coronavirus hitting young Americans harder than we thought?

A bit alarmist, makes you think, omg, this goes against what we thought. Then they cite a research paper. The DON'T QUOTE, they interpret the data for you. Now, when I was doing my PhD this would have been revise and resubmit. Let me QUOTE the ACTUAL RESEARCH (link is in the alarmist article you posted btw)

"...fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.


Harder than we thought?!!? 1-3% and below 1%? C'mon.

Ok, back to my popcorn, your turn
This is why I called C-19. “Fake news” way back on page 1. It’s not that it doesn’t exist or not happening, but that the media spin it to be much worse than what it really is REGARDLESS OF REALITY. Some of it is really bad and the headlines reflect that. Most are bullshit clickbait that get everyone wound up much more than they need to.

I have to furlough one of my factories tomorrow, not because of lack of work, but because my leadership expects it to get much worse and they want to “get ahead of it.” That type of hysteria, I believe, is fueled by the fake news.

This came in while typing.

Experts tell White House coronavirus can spread through talking or even just breathing

Read the article. It says there is a “possibility” of spreading this way.

Fineberg said it's possible that aerosolized coronavirus droplets can hang in the air and potentially infect someone who walks by later.
He added, however, that coronavirus is not as infectious as measles or tuberculosis.
How long coronavirus lingers in the air depends on several factors, including how much virus an infected individual puts out when breathing or talking, and also on the amount of circulation in the air, he said.

Google CNN

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Old 02.04.2020, 19:25
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Does that have anything to do with you being a health care provider by any chance?
Not really. They obviosly could not give a damn about any precautions. And they shit it up for everybody else that goes along with these precautions.
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