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I don't. Having halve of the 7.5 BILLION people under lockdown because of less than 50k deaths for 5 months is like shooting a mosquito with the full arsenal of the Pentagon.

Yes, they will grow, sure. But I will start worrying if I see that the death rate starts to "climb down" in any meaningful numbers among HEALTHY people. The fact that the absolutely vast majority of fatalities are among old, sick people should be telling you something. And yes, I've read the anecdotal cases of a few young, healthy victims that represent a negligible minority. I am seriously way more worried about the over 3 trillion of cash distributed by governments that we will have to pay back via increased taxes amidst higher unemployment.

But then again, I post here every 5-6 pages, sorry for disturbing the normal flow of the conversation, Edwin, feel free to groan as usual
Think of it this way - those that are not in the danger group but nevertheless catch it and survive,
maybe dismissing it as no more than a bad cold, will ( if lockdown measures and precautions are not impossed )
go onto infect countless other people; as he or she goes about their normal business both at
home and at work coughing and sneezing all over the place - this one infection, goes onto
infect countless other people with Covid-19 - scores of whom might, like number one, get over
Covid-19 but while infected and going through the recovery stage; will nevertheless be going
about their non lockdown lives, infecting scores of other people and so the infections
multiply at every stage.

Not all of these other people are fortunate enough to survive the infection, in fact many of
them will need to go into intensive care units in Hospital from where a countless number of
them will die.

With the Health System reaching and no doubt breaching critical overload in treating Covid-19
patients; as infection rates soar, other patients being sent to hospital for other urgent treatments
( not Covid-19 ) have to wait on hospital trolleys because - they have run out of beds,
thanks to the Covid-19 Pandemic. No doubt these patients conditions could become critical and
so they could die, because there's not enough beds, doctors, nurses or other medical staff
to attend to them because they are all engaged in fire fighting the escallating number
of patients that are being rushed to Hospital and needing intensive care and treatment
for Covid-19.

Whereas by imposing lockdowns and restrictions you stem the infection rate and give the
Health Services breathing space and a fighting chance to cope with the crisis and save lives.

So are you getting the picture now ?
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Old 02.04.2020, 19:36
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Experts tell White House coronavirus can spread through talking or even just breathing

Read the article. It says there is a “possibility” of spreading this way.

Fineberg said it's possible that aerosolized coronavirus droplets can hang in the air and potentially infect someone who walks by later.
He added, however, that coronavirus is not as infectious as measles or tuberculosis.
How long coronavirus lingers in the air depends on several factors, including how much virus an infected individual puts out when breathing or talking, and also on the amount of circulation in the air, he said.
Yes and other experts said the opposite a few days ago, and round and round it goes.

It's the same as 20mins daily "1000 new infections since yesterday". Which in most cases isn't actually true as they take data from different points in time and compare two things that can't be fairly compared. And even if it was true, it's meaningless without context. What's more important are day-to-day increases, that gives you a better idea of current status.

I probably wouldn't call it fake news, but twisted news. Media are having a field day with all this and sadly, people buy into it no matter what, blind and unchecked. Few actually bother to dig deeper.
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Old 02.04.2020, 19:46
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Given the world is deeply divided, I don't anticipate much synchronization.
Yeah, the opposite. It is still easier within one country than to wait for a few of them to cooperate, hence the border closures.

News here just debated whether the quarantine will be lifted by age, interesting.

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Yeah, the opposite. It is still easier within one country than to wait for a few of them to cooperate, hence the border closures.
I did wonder whether Switzerland would quarantine each community. It could work quite well - especially for those of us near the city (There is 1 Coop, 2 Migros, a Denner and a Lidl in my town).
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I did wonder whether Switzerland would quarantine each community. It could work quite well - especially for those of us near the city (There is 1 Coop, 2 Migros, a Denner and a Lidl in my town).
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Old 02.04.2020, 20:10
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I did wonder whether Switzerland would quarantine each community. It could work quite well - especially for those of us near the city (There is 1 Coop, 2 Migros, a Denner and a Lidl in my town).
I see you and raise you - 1 Coop, 1 Bau&Hobby, 2 Migros, 2 Denners, 1 Landi.
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Old 02.04.2020, 20:17
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This is why I called C-19. “Fake news” way back on page 1. It’s not that it doesn’t exist or not happening, but that the media spin it to be much worse than what it really is REGARDLESS OF REALITY.
Give us another update in 2 months, please.

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Re: Coronavirus

I spoke today to someone working in the Zurich ticketing office for a certain Asian airline - she told me that they are still flying to Zurich but only to repatriate their citizens (non-citizens are not allowed in their country). No more daily flights, maybe every other day and no more A380s but 777s. Still the planes are almost full.

I said "wow I didn't know there were so many of you here in Switzerland". She said "no... they fly from all over Europe to catch the flight in Zurich because Zurich airport is so relaxed about the whole thing, they can spend many many hours in transit without anyone hassling them, etc. etc...."
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Don't know whether this has already been mentioned, but ETH Zurich is doing a survey on the spread of coronavirus across Switzerland:

https://covid19survey.ethz.ch/survey

They need more data and the survey takes only a minute or two to complete.
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Old 02.04.2020, 20:24
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I see you and raise you - 1 Coop, 1 Bau&Hobby, 2 Migros, 2 Denners, 1 Landi.
2 Coops, 1 Denner, 1 Migros, 1 Lidl, 1 Volg, 1 Glattzentrum and nearby Ikea and Jumbo and all the other regular shops

So now everyone knows where approximately I live
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Old 02.04.2020, 20:31
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Oh of course - been advocating a slow restart post-Easter here for a while - but some people seem to think if you dare to look at the economic side of things and suggest options related to ramping up the economy, it essentially means you want to throw the whole population into immediate demise.
post-Easter is quite vague.
If you mean July then quite possibly, if you mean the day after Easter Monday then no reputable expert has even hinted that a day in April would be appropriate for reducing Swiss restrictions.
Of course, such decisions can always be taken on the fly depending on the volume of new cases but nobody wants to risk losing any of the benefits due to the lockdown.

So far as the economy is impacted; here in Switzerland many organisations are actually running well and benefitting from well-organised home offices.

A number of non-food shops are being supplemented/replaced by innovative online offers and there is a trend for former shop assistants to migrate to packing and delivery jobs.

Of course, this is all anecdotal and I have not seen any solid independent statistics.
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Old 02.04.2020, 20:53
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I did wonder whether Switzerland would quarantine each community. It could work quite well - especially for those of us near the city (There is 1 Coop, 2 Migros, a Denner and a Lidl in my town).
Nothing here. No shop, no post office, no bus-station, no train-station. One farm that sells potatoes, apples, milk and eggs but I think it's on the next town's territory. I think I would have to ask one of my Irish mates how to sneak across the border - they traditionally have this kind of knowledge, no? Or did I read the wrong books again.

On the other hand, we might just be served here. Imagine, police bringing us veggies and ice-cream every other day.

Tom would just shoot the numerous cats and dogs here. Which reminds me, he's been very quiet. Anyone still alive in Ticino?
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"Personally, I would say the best advice is to spend less time watching TV news which is sensational and not very good. Personally, I view this Covid outbreak as akin to a bad winter influenza epidemic. In this case we have had 8000 deaths this last year in the ‘at risk’ groups viz over 65% people with heart disease etc. I do not feel this current Covid will exceed this number. We are suffering from a media epidemic!"

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Meanwhile, in the US, the Federal Emergency Management Agency asked the Pentagon for 100,000 body bags to address mortuary contingencies on behalf of state health agencies.

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Ignore it, they are just trying to start a panic
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"Personally, I would say the best advice is to spend less time watching TV news which is sensational and not very good. Personally, I view this Covid outbreak as akin to a bad winter influenza epidemic. In this case we have had 8000 deaths this last year in the ‘at risk’ groups viz over 65% people with heart disease etc. I do not feel this current Covid will exceed this number. We are suffering from a media epidemic!"

Professor John Oxford, English virologist

Who's sharing links to TV news around here? I've seen links to read newspapers, blogs, podcasts, the BAG/OFSP website and others. No TV. Sure you're not fighting ghosts?
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"Personally, I would say the best advice is to spend less time watching TV news which is sensational and not very good. Personally, I view this Covid outbreak as akin to a bad winter influenza epidemic. In this case we have had 8000 deaths this last year in the ‘at risk’ groups viz over 65% people with heart disease etc. I do not feel this current Covid will exceed this number. We are suffering from a media epidemic!"

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"Personally, I would say the best advice is to spend less time watching TV news which is sensational and not very good. Personally, I view this Covid outbreak as akin to a bad winter influenza epidemic. In this case we have had 8000 deaths this last year in the ‘at risk’ groups viz over 65% people with heart disease etc. I do not feel this current Covid will exceed this number. We are suffering from a media epidemic!"

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Guess he got it wrong then.

"The total number of coronavirus deaths in Spain has now exceeded 10,000."

"Worldwide, confirmed coronavirus infections are nearing one million, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The university's tracker has recorded more than 50,200 deaths globally; while more than 204,000 people have recovered."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52131756

And we haven't hit the peak yet.
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Don't know whether this has already been mentioned, but ETH Zurich is doing a survey on the spread of coronavirus across Switzerland:

https://covid19survey.ethz.ch/survey

They need more data and the survey takes only a minute or two to complete.
Yeah, well my daughter is just in the last months of her masters thesis on the effect of implementing drones in policing. Topical as is happens. Would gladly complete this survey, but it has no authenticity certificate etc.? My daughters Surveys are issued by the Federal and Cantonal Police?
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Nothing here. No shop, no post office, no bus-station, no train-station. One farm that sells potatoes, apples, milk and eggs but I think it's on the next town's territory.
Maybe we can put together a package of potatoes, apples, milks and eggs and have it delivered to you in an appropriate amount once a day. I'm sure that communist experiment would be loads of fun.

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If you mean July then quite possibly, if you mean the day after Easter Monday then no reputable expert has even hinted that a day in April would be appropriate for reducing Swiss restrictions.
Of course, such decisions can always be taken on the fly depending on the volume of new cases but nobody wants to risk losing any of the benefits due to the lockdown.

So far as the economy is impacted; here in Switzerland many organisations are actually running well and benefitting from well-organised home offices.

A number of non-food shops are being supplemented/replaced by innovative online offers and there is a trend for former shop assistants to migrate to packing and delivery jobs.

Of course, this is all anecdotal and I have not seen any solid independent statistics
Of course I don't mean July, otherwise I would have said that. Beyond that, my concerns are not mainly about Switzerland, I thought I had made that clear by pointing out multiple times what a cushy situation most (though definitely not all) people are in here anyway - at least for now. That is obviously if they don't keep the country in a 4-5-months shutdown that is the same as the current one, which needless to say is a ridiculous idea. If some people choose to hide in their war bunker for another 18 months, then by all means, go for it, I don't care. But for everyone just for the sake of it, that's no option, nor is there a need once you reach a certain stage in a pandemic.

But we already know that you and I will never ever ever agree here, so why bother any further.
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Give us another update in 2 months, please.

you are missing the point, but I may have not articulated my point properly.

Its going to suck, but its not end times.

will talk in two months.
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