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Agreed. Since someone posed the question in this thread last week, I now know two people personally in the UK who've had symptoms of the virus and have had to self-isolate, including a family member. One was borderline being hospitalised after being in bed for 5 days. The other was in bed for several days whilst her partner cared for their 3 children. She says it's taken her 2 weeks to get back to feeling remotely normal again. She's a 3rd year student midwife and one of the thousands of medical students being fast tracked to frontline duties.
Was she tested?

It made me wonder, worst case scenario when both parents get corona "symptoms" - what happens then? Is there anyone who checks on those kids like social services etc? Many of us don't have family here and the rest of our friends would be/are in the same boat, so it makes one wonder if local authorities have some sort of programme for these cases.

My Swiss friends still have to go to work as they can't work from home, I'm worried for them. But at least they have extended families here.
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Old 06.04.2020, 11:50
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What's more relevant is what %age of the total # of healthcare workers in Ticino those 4000 correspond to. If the 4000 are 5% of total, one could argue temporarily shutting the border may have helped. If it's 20% or more - not so much.
It's actually nearer 50%
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Old 06.04.2020, 11:54
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Significantly stricter than Switzerland (and from what my friends tell me significantly better observed) plus one calendar day earlier and crucially a few days earlier in terms of epidemic progression (this is much more significant than the one calendar day).
Not sure about the strictness, while Switzerland has the Kita's still open Austria requires 1m distance only. The rest looks to be basically the same (as mentioned quarantine areas aside). AFAIK face masks aren't mandatory yet, that had to be postponed a bit.

But you're definitely right with the swiftness. One of the many reason why Switzerland's reaction, and just as importantly preparedness, wasn't really good, maybe outright poor.

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Apparently that postponement lasted until yesterday only.

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Old 06.04.2020, 12:20
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Not sure about the strictness, while Switzerland has the Kita's still open Austria requires 1m distance only. The rest looks to be basically the same (as mentioned quarantine areas aside).
Basically everyone has to isolate - you're not allowed to socialise with anyone outside your own household, no 5 person rule there. Also the KITAs are shut except for essential workers.

Police controls there are pretty strict
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Old 06.04.2020, 12:30
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OK, folks, we need to move on and listen to smart people too.

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Old 06.04.2020, 12:57
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Imagine it will take 5 years until a vaccine is available. We would be living in a total different world by then.
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Old 06.04.2020, 13:02
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Was she tested?

It made me wonder, worst case scenario when both parents get corona "symptoms" - what happens then? Is there anyone who checks on those kids like social services etc? Many of us don't have family here and the rest of our friends would be/are in the same boat, so it makes one wonder if local authorities have some sort of programme for these cases.

My Swiss friends still have to go to work as they can't work from home, I'm worried for them. But at least they have extended families here.
Here in Switzerland none in the family gets tested regardless of children, not even if both parents have a lot of symptoms. It is assumed the whole household has it in such case and the family has to stay inside including kids. Only when medical help is needed a test becomes an option (or mandatory depending on what help is needed)

If people in such situation need help with groceries and such they can contact the local government who will put them in contact with volunteers who help out.
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Old 06.04.2020, 13:10
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It's actually nearer 50%
The chief at the hospital in Neuchâtel said that currently 60% of the healthcare workers working in ICU and A&E dealing with Covid patients are frontaliers from France.

He used that as one of the reasons to justify accepting French patients for treatment in the hospital here. He said that cooperation works both ways and that whilst we still have the capacity to do so here we will care for French patients where necessary.
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Here's the Austrian path back to some level of normality. Expect Switzerland to be similar, perhaps with a delay to reflect the higher level of cases here
Hopefully not too long a delay either. We are only a week or so behind.
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Old 06.04.2020, 13:23
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Was she tested?
No. In the UK, you don't get tested unless you're admitted to hospital, and even then, if you have the 'classic' symptoms, you may just be diagnosed and not actually tested. I follow a professor on twitter who was diagnosed and hospitalised 2 weeks ago. She's had 2 further hospital appointments since being discharged, to check her oxygen levels. One of her colleagues was also hospitalised but was tested as positive for the virus, so I don't know if the hospital have made an assumption based upon these people being close colleagues.

As for my friend and former colleague, she's not been tested either, or even offered a test yet. We're wondering if she'll be offered an antibody test before being deployed on the wards. She was training at a Manchester hospital that has a dedicated covid ward which recorded it's first death from covid 17 days ago.
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Old 06.04.2020, 14:34
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Downing Street is not denying that the prime minister received oxygen treatment last night.
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Old 06.04.2020, 14:41
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It's actually nearer 50%
What I figured, I was trying to be conservative. Probably the same in GE, so shutting borders really wasn't an option, then the system would have had much bigger issues than it had now.
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Old 06.04.2020, 15:03
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Here's the Austrian path back to some level of normality. Expect Switzerland to be similar, perhaps with a delay to reflect the higher level of cases here
Additional and very interesting, just found this which I didn't notice in the first reports

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The Austrian exit strategy will also include the introduction of tracking apps to trace citizens’ movements and ensure they are not breaking curfew rules. They should be used by the whole of the country. Those who don’t have a mobile phone will be required to wear a special key-ring style device, the chancellor said at the weekend. The majority of Austrians are said to be in favour of the measures.
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Additional and very interesting, just found this which I didn't notice in the first reports
I guess welcome to the surveillance state then... Hardly surprising, but still better than anything else. As long as there's a clear time limit as to how long that is going to be allowed - which I expect Austria (and Switzerland and Germany) to do, not so much others.
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Now now - his pregnant girlfriend now has corona virus symptoms- wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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Old 06.04.2020, 15:57
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The Austrian exit strategy will also include the introduction of tracking apps to trace citizens’ movements and ensure they are not breaking curfew rules. They should be used by the whole of the country. Those who don’t have a mobile phone will be required to wear a special key-ring style device, the chancellor said at the weekend. The majority of Austrians are said to be in favour of the measures.
And they know that how? By asking 100 people and assume the projection (Hochrechnung) is accordingly?
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Old 06.04.2020, 16:25
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And they know that how? By asking 100 people and assume the projection (Hochrechnung) is accordingly?
If you ask the right 100, sure .....but therein lies the problem.
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As much as I dislike the man, and I really do, I do wish him a speedy recovery.
We have to go with what we've got and the reckoning can come afterwards.
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Old 06.04.2020, 16:37
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Kanton Zürich has enough capacities, and allows the hospitals, to test all patients regardless of their symptoms. The Uni hospital says they test all patients starting last Wednesday.

Zürich's director of public health Natalie Rickli said in the interview that only hospital patients may be tested, but that that may well be subject to change if sufficient test kits, materials, and lab capacity are available. They're looking forward to adapted guidance from the BAG.

Unfortunately there's still not enough capacity for large-scale tests among the general population. She also said that when there's more surplus capacity homes for the elderly, Spitex personnel and customers, and similar will probably be the next groups to get tested, too.

The hospital personnal wasn't mentioned explicitly, but she did mention Spitex personnel together with Spitex customers WRT possible future broadenings, which has me believe that hospital personnal is included in the broadening that is in force now.
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Old 06.04.2020, 16:47
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Additional and very interesting, just found this which I didn't notice in the first reports
...seems the ÖVP got overruled on this by the other parties. The App will be voluntary.
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