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Cue this article from the NY Post that reveals that authorities will begin "temporary internment" in parks (no specifics):

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nyc-to...n-local-parks/
The article does not state that they are doing this or have already planned to do so, only that is in an option in future if they can't store/place the bodies anymore in other decent manners which currently is absolutely not the case.
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Really- we have been mentionning how much weight he has put on recently...
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Obesity?
From reports I have read, obesity is the one issue that does not affect Italy or China to the extent that it affects the US and the UK. And, that could be why the Coronavirus may affect more in the 20-45 age group in the US (and perhaps, the UK) than in other countries. Also of note, how much vaping compromises those in that age group (it is rampant in the US...not sure to the extent in the UK?)
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The UK has a parliamentary system, not a presidential, MPs choose the prime minister, and the prime minister can delegate authority to act on his behalf as he sees fit...
Ok, in this case Johnson was conscious enough to be able to delegate. What if your PM drops dead of a heart attack without warning? Who decides who takes over then? Does the party need to vote?

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Good point. The Guardian is on it:
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...The news that Boris Johnson was admitted to hospital for tests on Sunday night with persistent coronavirus symptoms has shone a spotlight on the prime minister’s health.

While Johnson is not known to have any underlying health conditions, he has been open about his struggle with obesity – a known risk factor for coronavirus.

According to a report published last week, more than 70% of patients placed in intensive care after being infected with Covid-19 were overweight, obese or severely obese on the body mass index scale...
We've heard so much more about age and things like heart disease being factors. Diabetes too, but not all diabetics are overweight or obese.
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In China you get your temperature measured in MacDonalds at the cashier if you want to grab a meal to eat at the table. And each table only has one chair.
Taking temperature is one of many measures which together bring R0 to below 1. By itself it's not enough of course.
It helps some, but not every patient develops a fever and we're clear by now that asymptotic people also can spread the disease. I feel that to many people would act completely careless is a check at the entrance would say "you're o.k."
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Ok, in this case Johnson was conscious enough to be able to delegate. What if your PM drops dead of a heart attack without warning? Who decides who takes over then? Does the party need to vote?

Good point. The Guardian is on it:

We've heard so much more about age and things like heart disease being factors. Diabetes too, but not all diabetics are overweight or obese.
The default in the short term is the foreign secretary so Raab. You'd certainly get a leadership contest for a long term succession.
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Really- we have been mentionning how much weight he has put on recently...
He was really big in 2018 after he resigned from TM government and was on the backbenches. He lost some weight for the leadership contest and GE to look a bit more presentable. He's still not exactly slim granted. Maybe he put some back on again as you say.
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People who are not in the “risk group” can still end up in the ICU. It’s a continuum. And 55 is not that far from 65.

One of the reasons hypothesized for relatively young health care workers falling ill is viral load, or put another way, exposure.

If Johnson has been shaking a lot of hands, exposed to a lot of carriers, his exposure could be higher and thus he could be sicker. Another thought is that they might be more proactive in his case.

Whatever the case, it’s serious and I hope he recovers.
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Ok, in this case Johnson was conscious enough to be able to delegate. What if your PM drops dead of a heart attack without warning? Who decides who takes over then? Does the party need to vote?
Since there is no ruling on this, parliament has to work out a solution which gains majority of votes. nobody knows yet would that solution will be.

It's not like the US where a clear line of people to follow up exists.
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Ok, in this case Johnson was conscious enough to be able to delegate. What if your PM drops dead of a heart attack without warning? Who decides who takes over then? Does the party need to vote?
It'd be the ForeignSecretary (thanks Jorido, though why it's not actually the Chancellor defeats me) in the interim but there would indeed be a leadership election PDQ.

Edwin, I don't think you're right. It's a Party leadership issue, essentially. It's just that the Party happens to be in charge of the gov't, therefore the Leader is also PM.

Edit:apparently the 1922 Committee (Cons back-benchers) have to present candidates to the Queen who then selects one. I assume she is steered, or they only, in reality, offer one candidate as a done deal.

So, yes, it is the Cons backbenchers who would have to vote a new leader in.

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I can barely maintain my weight, doing home office all day.
And I'm almost constantly hungry...

Can't imagine how it is for overweight people with a lot of stress.
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From reports I have read, obesity is the one issue that does not affect Italy or China to the extent that it affects the US and the UK. And, that could be why the Coronavirus may affect more in the 20-45 age group in the US (and perhaps, the UK) than in other countries. Also of note, how much vaping compromises those in that age group (it is rampant in the US...not sure to the extent in the UK?)
In the Netherlands 90% of people in the IC are Obese,

Once in the lungs the virus attaches more easily to adipose tissues, the more obese a person is the more of such tissue he has. And besides that it is harder for the lungs to breath when obese making it a double risk.
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The article does not state that they are doing this or have already planned to do so, only that is in an option in future if they can't store/place the bodies anymore in other decent manners which currently is absolutely not the case.
True, but if you read the original (again) zerohedge article it mentions that the problem seems to be funeral homes being overloaded.

So, this wouldn't come up if the planning wasn't already very detailed and coming very soon IMO. Especially as warmer weather is coming and you don't want thousands of bodies literally piling up.

As we've seen it here on this thread again and again: the faint rumor of yesterday is often the news of tomorrow.
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The article does not state that they are doing this or have already planned to do so, only that is in an option in future if they can't store/place the bodies anymore in other decent manners which currently is absolutely not the case.
Well currently bodies are going into refrigerator trucks, how decent is that? And they are running out of those too, the article says.
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It'd be the Home Secretary in the interim but there would indeed be a leadership election PDQ.

Edwin, I don't think you're right. It's a Party leadership issue, essentially. It's just that the Party happens to be in charge of the gov't, therefore the Leader is also PM.

Edit: the 1922 Committee have to present candidates to the Queen who then selects one. I assume she is steered, or they only, in reality, offer one candidate as a done deal.
This is completely correct. Apart from the fact its the foreign not the home sec.
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In the Netherlands 90% of people in the IC are Obese,

Once in the lungs the virus attaches more easily to adipose tissues, the more obese a person is the more of such tissue he has. And besides that it is harder for the lungs to breath when obese making it a double risk.

Problem might also be visceral fat then?
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It'd be the Home Secretary in the interim but there would indeed be a leadership election PDQ.

Edwin, I don't think you're right. It's a Party leadership issue, essentially. It's just that the Party happens to be in charge of the gov't, therefore the Leader is also PM.
Typically yes, but the rules do not state it has to be like that.
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Well currently bodies are going into refrigerator trucks, how decent is that? And they are running out of those too, the article says.
Decent under circumstances.

The article says that it depends on how the number of new deaths evolves, nothing is certain yet as for temp burials.
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Another thought is that they might be more proactive in his case.
This was my initial thought and one of my possible responses.
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It helps some, but not every patient develops a fever and we're clear by now that asymptotic people also can spread the disease. I feel that to many people would act completely careless is a check at the entrance would say "you're o.k."
dunno, I think by now everybody is in the know that not having fever doesn't necessarily mean you're free from the bug
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