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Old 07.04.2020, 19:57
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Trump has sent him some Chloroquin - I wonder why? Financial interrest- perhaps? Apparently minor ... but ? Or just wants to be proven right, perhaps?

Meanwhile in Geneva, a Doctor who rented a room at some old guy's place has been made homeless as the old man is worried about being contaminated. Should police not intervene?
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Old 07.04.2020, 21:01
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Trump has sent him some Chloroquin - I wonder why? Financial interrest- perhaps? Apparently minor ... but ? Or just wants to be proven right, perhaps?
Trump won't be "proven right" or wrong here as there's no way that the UK doctors wouldn't have already administered these drugs if they thought they might be useful. Not just to Boris Johnson but to others. They're easily available in the UK. The fact is, there's no secret remedy available right now - anywhere. It was a typically transparent Trump PR gesture, aimed more at his base ('what a caring President!') than anything else.

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Meanwhile in Geneva, a Doctor who rented a room at some old guy's place has been made homeless as the old man is worried about being contaminated. Should police not intervene?
With nothing but your information to go on, I can totally see that this can be portrayed as "some old guy" being unreasonable. I can. But -- just for one moment, think of the "some old guy" and his position. Presumably he's in the most vulnerable of all age groups, and one of the people being urged to lock down and have no contact with the outside world. Yet this "some old guy" actually shares an apartment with a doctor who's presumably in contact with Covid sufferers every day -- or potentially so.

Now, I don't want to congratulate the "some old guy" for taking his tough decision, but nor should any reasonable person fail to see both sides of the problem. Let's apply the age-old test: suppose you were "some old bat" who rented a room to a doctor in the time of Coronavirus. Would you just shrug it off? What would your family think?

Anyway, doesn't the doc get 3 months' notice?
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Old 07.04.2020, 21:06
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Nope- asked to leave- rules are different for furnished rented rooms.
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Old 07.04.2020, 21:11
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Just heard an update on Boris Johnson.
Which reminded me to check on the parasitic, chinless, inbred goomah Prince Charles. I was shocked to discover he is now out of isolation and reunited with Camilla.
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Old 07.04.2020, 21:15
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Which reminded me to check on the parasitic, chinless, inbred goomah Prince Charles. I was shocked to discover he is now out of isolation and reunited with Camilla.
The " royals" always have running noses. Nothing new!
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Nope- asked to leave- rules are different for furnished rented rooms.
Just as info: Specifically with regard to the notice period for "furnished rooms", the Swiss Federal Council changed the law, within a COVID-19 Ordnance of 27th March 2020.
https://www.englishforum.ch/3165287-post8.html
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Old 07.04.2020, 21:18
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The article said he was asked to leave from one day to the next. I imagine a busy doctor in the middle of the Covid19 crisis, long hours, lots of stress- doesn't have time to check the rules or go to Asloca.
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Just looked at the latest figures via the John Hopkin's website, and things do not look good for the UK given current info. The mortality rate (deaths compare to those infected stands at 11.1% at present).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

So, either the UK are not doing enough tests (my guess) or something is amiss with the healthcare system and supply there (hopefully not!)

My OH think the UK was doing a calculated hybrid of herd immunity and waiting to impose a lockdown. We shall see... Tough to know when to put the clamp down regarding the economy and those who are compromised.
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Old 07.04.2020, 21:51
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Trump has sent him some Chloroquin - I wonder why? Financial interrest- perhaps? Apparently minor ... but ? Or just wants to be proven right, perhaps?
Rumor has it he holds Sanofi stock, but I have yet to find absolute proof for that (if that's even public information)
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Old 07.04.2020, 21:57
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Just looked at the latest figures via the John Hopkin's website, and things do not look good for the UK given current info. The mortality rate (deaths compare to those infected stands at 11.1% at present).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

So, either the UK are not doing enough tests (my guess) or something is amiss with the healthcare system and supply there (hopefully not!)

My OH think the UK was doing a calculated hybrid of herd immunity and waiting to impose a lockdown. We shall see... Tough to know when to put the clamp down regarding the economy and those who are compromised.
I think it's a case of not enough tests yet. From your link, the UK has only tested 266,694 people. In a population of 66 million, that's not many.

Of those 55,242 were positive. So a 20% positive rate, which is a lot higher than other countries. I assume once they ramp up testing the number of positives relative to the total will go down, and thus the % death rate will also go down.
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I think it's a case of not enough tests yet. From your link, the UK has only tested 266,694 people. In a population of 66 million, that's not many.

Of those 55,242 were positive. So a 20% positive rate, which is a lot higher than other countries. I assume once they ramp up testing the number of positives relative to the total will go down, and thus the % death rate will also go down.
The more test performed the lower the mortality rate. That said, I wonder why more tests have not been done in the UK? Lack of tests perhaps? That is the issue or has been in the US...
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Rumor has it he holds Sanofi stock, but I have yet to find absolute proof for that (if that's even public information)
Yes, that’s the info making the rounds today. Could be a small investment, so probably not worth all the tongues wagging and finger pecking, but who knows?
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Old 07.04.2020, 22:46
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Trump has sent him some Chloroquin - I wonder why?
Probably read about it on twitter - not this particular one, but one similar.

If his next suggestion is half a cut onion in every room, that'll confirm it.
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Old 07.04.2020, 22:50
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I think it's a case of not enough tests yet. From your link, the UK has only tested 266,694 people. In a population of 66 million, that's not many.

Of those 55,242 were positive. So a 20% positive rate, which is a lot higher than other countries. I assume once they ramp up testing the number of positives relative to the total will go down, and thus the % death rate will also go down.
Same situation in the Netherlands: +20% positive rate, ~10% mortality rate. https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covi...sche-dagstaten

There seems to be a huge dark figure of undetected cases. It looks like UK and NL must crank up testing at least by a factor of 5, better more. If this drops the postive rate to 10% the estimated mortality would drop to 4%.
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Rumor has it he holds Sanofi stock, but I have yet to find absolute proof for that (if that's even public information)
It is sort-a public through his financial enclosures from last year and meaningless.

3 of his Family trusts have an investment investment in the mutual fund company "Dodge & Cox’s international stock fund" this fund is widespread and also holds shares in a whole bunch of pharmaceutical companies of which a few indeed make hydroxychloroquine, they have said before that the investment is no more than 15.000,- meaning that the actual share in Sanofi cannot be more than a couple of hundreds. So financial profit is meaningless. Also it would only be a very short value growth since it be corrected if hydroxychloroquine keeps failing in being proven as effective medicine.

The people want hope, and compared to all different things mentioned lately hydroxychloroquine is holding pretty proper cards, combine that with Trumps lack of reading scientifically papers properly which would tell him there is no peer.reviewed proof of its effectiveness and that its usage even holds downsides.

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Yes, that’s the info making the rounds today. Could be a small investment, so probably not worth all the tongues wagging and finger pecking, but who knows?
FFS, 1) the guy is a billionaire 2) presidents are not allowed to own shares 3) have we got so cynical as to think that even Trump would use a global pandemic to bogusly ramp a share price?

People exasperate me sometimes.
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If his next suggestion is half a cut onion in every room, that'll confirm it.
Btw. is Zumo still president of ZA? Has he mentioned if showering and root vegetables might help against Corona?
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Same situation in the Netherlands: +20% positive rate, ~10% mortality rate. https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covi...sche-dagstaten

There seems to be a huge dark figure of undetected cases. It looks like UK and NL must crank up testing at least by a factor of 5, better more. If this drops the postive rate to 10% the estimated mortality would drop to 4%.
Of the Netherlands it is no secret that they already from the start have a huge problem with testing capacity.

More testing does not have to drop the estimated mortality but it will drop the calculated mortality based on confirmed cases. And the current 10% is as for the calculated rate actually very low since people hardly die on the first day of having been found positive, this takes days and of the current amount of people tested positive hundreds will die.
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Btw. is Zumo still president of ZA? Has he mentioned if showering and root vegetables might help against Corona?
Zuma has not been involved with politics/The ANC since 2018
(officially that is)
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FFS, 1) the guy is a billionaire 2) presidents are not allowed to own shares 3) have we got so cynical as to think that even Trump would use a global pandemic to bogusly ramp a share price?

People exasperate me sometimes.
1) do you think billionaires don't like making money? 2) that's absolute nonsense—google Trump's financial disclosures from 2016 onwards 3) yes. When it comes to money, the man is totally unscrupulous, indeed, has always been so.
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