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Old 12.04.2020, 10:15
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Does anybody know another country besides Switzerland which releases weekly death statistics in a timely manner?
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...ses-death.html

Maybe your home country? Thank you for any link to official sources.
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Old 12.04.2020, 10:17
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Does anybody know another country besides Switzerland which releases weekly death statistics in a timely manner?
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...ses-death.html
https://experience.arcgis.com/experi...4/page/page_1/

Website RKI (Germany)

https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covid-19/grafieken

Netherlands

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I posted earlier that in the US coroners and medical examiners are complaining they do not have enough test kits to certify COV-19 deaths even when that is obviously the cause.
This includes Wyoming which is still claiming zero deaths.

The issue is mainly about certifying people found dead at home which seems to be increasing in the US according to the same US coroners and medical examiners.
Yes, exactly so. As I understand it, this is also the same procedure as in Switzerland.

Orders are that the tests are to be used upon the living only, and the dead are not tested, ever, in Switzerland.

All the people who die at home, plus anyone who arrives at the hospital (or in a queue to be examined) too late, and dies before they can be tested, will not be counted as having died from COV-19. Even when it is obviously the case.
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Old 12.04.2020, 10:41
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It's easy over there: all you have to do is close beergartens.
Seriously though: their curve looks very much like Italy's, only later and actually even a bit steeper. But they do test a lot, so dunno, guess cannot really directly compare. Deaths are fewer, but they do have a lot more beds, ventilators, etc. per mil than Italy. Anyways, Germany is nothing spectacular, the rate is steady and not decreasing. Austria and Australia look better.
Considering how many people are infected, Germany is doing an ace job: they test massively and go after potential spread fast.
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Some science explained:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...he-coronavirus
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Yes, exactly so. As I understand it, this is also the same procedure as in Switzerland.

Orders are that the tests are to be used upon the living only, and the dead are not tested, ever, in Switzerland.

All the people who die at home, plus anyone who arrives at the hospital (or in a queue to be examined) too late, and dies before they can be tested, will not be counted as having died from COV-19. Even when it is obviously the case.
From a practical standpoint, this makes sense if tests are in short supply. The statistics won’t be accurate this round, but that matters less than identifying living cases and offering what treatment and care available.

It’s enough that the disease is recognized to be a risk to public health, and mitigation strategies are taken seriously. Precise statistics are going to have to wait.
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Does anybody know another country besides Switzerland which releases weekly death statistics in a timely manner?
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...ses-death.html

Maybe your home country? Thank you for any link to official sources.
You have a bunch of interesting links in https://www.euromomo.eu/about_us/partners.html
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Does anybody know another country besides Switzerland which releases weekly death statistics in a timely manner?
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...ses-death.html

Maybe your home country? Thank you for any link to official sources.
Italy (I do not believe there is an English version available)
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/cal...esi_ULTIMO.pdf
http://www.deplazio.net/images/stori...MG_COVID19.pdf

Very short summary: some northern cities have been hit very hard. So far southern cities have been mostly spared.
It's a similar pattern we see today in USA with New York being hit very hard while others States are not showing alarming numbers.
Similar in Switzerland with TI/GE/VD.

The weekly archive can be found here (the 2nd Tab: "Archivio report")
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/cal...ldo&menu=vuoto


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This is "total mortality" no matter the reasons. The detailed report is focusing on Covid19 affected areas, but still it's an absolute counting and comparison between historical and current values.

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Old 12.04.2020, 11:49
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Ouch, on this sunny, quiet Easter Sunday morning first thing I was shouted at. By a mod. Okay, it may not have been aimed at me but it was like being woken up by the neighbours fighting.


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I'm not completely sure, but I think that in Switzerland - even in non-Corona times - autopsies are not usual, nor legally required....
Correct. I actually had a talk about this with my doctor, who is "Bezirksarzt" only a few months ago.
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Old 12.04.2020, 11:56
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I do not see weekly death statistics in these links. Just COVID-19 stuff. Do I miss something?

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You have a bunch of interesting links in https://www.euromomo.eu/about_us/partners.html
Thank you much. Nice website, specially the graph and map https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html . The links are nice but still cumbersome as they link to the main sites for each country. Maybe others can help which can read the local languages and find the a link to the published data.

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The weekly archive can be found here (the 2nd Tab: "Archivio report")
http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/cal...ldo&menu=vuoto
Thanks a lot. Exactly what I am looking for. Interesting to know that it is still just an estimated as the data source only covers 20% of the population.
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Old 12.04.2020, 11:56
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Young healthy people have to stay at home and self-isolate so that older at-risk groups can get out and about and enjoy the sunshine.
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Old 12.04.2020, 11:57
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Does anybody know another country besides Switzerland which releases weekly death statistics in a timely manner?
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...ses-death.html

Maybe your home country? Thank you for any link to official sources.
Wolfgang Blau, the Chief Operating Officer of Conde Naste, compiled this list for their reporters to use as legitimate reference sources.

https://medium.com/@wolfgangblau/inf...s-67cc99b6d94a
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Considering how many people are infected, Germany is doing an ace job: they test massively and go after potential spread fast.
do you know how they go after potential spread? just curious, like what they do actually?
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Old 12.04.2020, 12:07
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Wolfgang Blau, the Chief Operating Officer of Conde Naste, compiled this list for their reporters to use as legitimate reference sources.

https://medium.com/@wolfgangblau/inf...s-67cc99b6d94a
Looks like just a bunch of COVID-19 stuff but nothing related to death statistics.
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do you know how they go after potential spread? just curious, like what they do actually?
Among other things:
The RKI is gathering information from wearable (FitBit, Google Fit, and Apple Health, etc.) on an voluntary basis https://corona-datenspende.de/
They hope they might see a correlation between infections and the collected data.

They are also discussion about an official, voluntary, tracking app which would allow contact tracking. As discussed and mentioned by Gesundheitsminister Spahn at the press conference April 9th.
https://youtu.be/McWs1awhsHY?t=3917
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Does anybody know another country besides Switzerland which releases weekly death statistics in a timely manner?
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home...ses-death.html

Maybe your home country? Thank you for any link to official sources.
In my home country you can find this data here (webpage of National Institute of Public Health), as far as I noticed in the media they're actualised daily. They provide detailed maps of the counties and areas affected and distribution of cases in territory.

https://instnsp.maps.arcgis.com/apps...bcdba03e30c127

As of today, in Romania we have 6300 confirmed cases and 306 deaths
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I do not see weekly death statistics in these links. Just COVID-19 stuff. Do I miss something?
Use this for the Netherlands:

https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/C...le?fromstatweb
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Old 12.04.2020, 13:28
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Young healthy people have to stay at home and self-isolate so that older at-risk groups can get out and about and enjoy the sunshine.
There are multiple at-risk groups, not just the old including now, it is claimed, the obese.
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Young healthy people have to stay at home and self-isolate so that older at-risk groups can get out and about and enjoy the sunshine.
It’s not exactly what’s happening if I look out my window and watch the joggers and Velo Fahrers with their increased aerosol output, in parallel or triple, and not even a meter in-between. And also only making a very short curve of about a cm in front, to the side and from behind me. Making it impossible for anyone to even go for a walk around the block, let alone your usual Forest path to keep their blood pressure down.

Whatever anyone else is doing, both generations in our household are staying at home to protect all. Not only our own household. I think you’ll find we’re not alone. Even if we don’t feel vulnerable, despite one of us being in a high risk category.
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There are multiple at-risk groups, not just the old including now, it is claimed, the obese.
Well, don’t know about you, but I’m “youngish”, have a great diet and am healthy and do sports at least 4 times a week. There is just this one little thing my DNA has inherited...
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