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And enough staff for those beds.
Why this NHS appeal to retired doctors and nurses (and medics without finished degrees) then, air transport staff retraining to work in hospitals and social carers? Was it just in case?
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After 1 month of normal life Sweden still ranks 12 in the world in the deaths per 1M. Sweden is behind countries that have had 1 month lock down like Switzerland and France.

After 1 month of disastrous predictions not materializing, I think it will be smooth sailing for Sweden from this moment on. If there was nothing abnormal during 1 month of normal life during full swing "epidemic" in Sweden there will be time in near future that we will ask the question if the lock down was a smart strategy...
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Let's have a look at some more numbers that give us an insight in the actual situation of spread.

Switzerland 1st of April up to now a small decline in amount of people on IC.
Sweden 1st of april up to now 60% growth of amount of people on IC.

Switzerland 1st of April up to now a decline of 10% in amount of people in regular hospital.
Sweden 1st of april up to now 50% growth of amount of people in hospital for regular care.

Switzerland has always been able to offer all who needed it a spot on the IC, Sweden has started putting people in IC in tents on parking spots with old equipment.
Yeah Sweden is doing great if you ignore a lot of numbers...
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Never really believed in miracles - but now I just have to. Boris has tested negative now- just days after coming out of hospital where he was only for a few days, 3 of which in intensive care- and then straight out to his holiday home (you now, the ones the Government clearly says you are not allowed to go...) - amazing. Allelujah.
There are still people working in Downing street - people with families too.

It makes sense for the PM to go to Chequers rather than risk infecting other government employees.
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Why this NHS appeal to retired doctors and nurses (and medics without finished degrees) then, air transport staff retraining to work in hospitals and social carers? Was it just in case?
I believe so, at the beginning of the crisis there was big concern that the NHS would become overwhelmed however until now this has failed materialise.
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Never really believed in miracles - but now I just have to. Boris has tested negative now- just days after coming out of hospital where he was only for a few days, 3 of which in intensive care- and then straight out to his holiday home (you now, the ones the Government clearly says you are not allowed to go...) - amazing. Allelujah.
So, are you saying here (without having the courage to be open or direct about it) that Boris lied about his COVID infection experience? That he also fooled all of the doctors and nurses attending him and swore them to secrecy?
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There are still people working in Downing street - people with families too.

It makes sense for the PM to go to Chequers rather than risk infecting other government employees.
Are you telling me there is no staff looking after him/them at Chequers? Anyhow, he has tested negative the day after coming out.
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Old 14.04.2020, 10:50
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Re: Coronavirus

Good morning, how was the sun bathing from the balcony during the weekend? The family wine stock went down but we can still survive another 3 months of confinement

It's old news (2 weeks ago) but I just read about a French senator (Loïc Hervé) complaining about how France had a martial approach to the confinemnet while in Genève everything relied on personal responsibility. I share the news because it is full of involuntary humor https://www.letemps.ch/suisse/loic-h...suisse-ne-suit

The guy is hyperventilating because the French confined people at home and Switzerland not: La France est confinée, la Haute-Savoie aussi bien entendu. La Suisse, de son côté, invite à un confinement relatif, avec des déplacements qui restent donc autorisés. J’ai l’impression que ce que l’on fait chez nous ne sert à rien si la Suisse ne suit pas, si nos voisins n’appliquent pas les mêmes mesures que les nôtres.

The imperialist senator calls Genève an enclave : Le canton de Genève est comme une enclave en France qui partage 95% de frontière avec notre pays.


Things may not be 100% OK in CH, but hey.....at least we're not in France
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Good morning, how was the sun bathing from the balcony during the weekend? The family wine stock went down but we can still survive another 3 months of confinement

It's old news (2 weeks ago) but I just read about a French senator (Loïc Hervé) complaining about how France had a martial approach to the confinemnet while in Genève everything relied on personal responsibility. I share the news because it is full of involuntary humor https://www.letemps.ch/suisse/loic-h...suisse-ne-suit

The guy is hyperventilating because the French confined people at home and Switzerland not: La France est confinée, la Haute-Savoie aussi bien entendu. La Suisse, de son côté, invite à un confinement relatif, avec des déplacements qui restent donc autorisés. J’ai l’impression que ce que l’on fait chez nous ne sert à rien si la Suisse ne suit pas, si nos voisins n’appliquent pas les mêmes mesures que les nôtres.

The imperialist senator calls Genève an enclave : Le canton de Genève est comme une enclave en France qui partage 95% de frontière avec notre pays.


Things may not be 100% OK in CH, but hey.....at least we're not in France
Wait until he finds out people are wining and dining in restaurants in Sweden...There will be another revolution!
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Old 14.04.2020, 11:13
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Re: Coronavirus

If you ever wondered what political non-sense is, here is a prime example.

In an interview for Sonntagsblick , the Swiss President Sommaruga said:

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"But Sommaruga said that keeping the vulnerable population in confinement for a long time is not realistic.

“It is impossible to completely isolate groups at risk because we are talking about a very large number of people,” the president noted.

“First, there are all those over the age of 65. Then there are those who suffer from a disease such as cancer, diabetes or high blood pressure.

"It is not possible to completely cut these groups off from the outside world”, she added."
So, we can not isolate a small percentage of all people because they are too many. 10-20-30%, who knows at this point.

So let's isolate EVERYONE, that makes sense

In the meantime, those vulnerable are doing picnics and walking up in the mountains, and if kids play football (who are not vulnerable at all and most likely the most resistant to the virus) the police will fine them and send them home.

Now, I can not see any other explanation from the Swiss Government other than the fact they don't want to protect the vulnerable at all?

They let the vulnerable on their own responsibility to be out at all times, even more than normally. They count they will catch the virus and 1 in 10 will die. Less strain on the pension/health system in Switzerland. That is a win for them.

Second they will go out and fine each kid and young adult that does sport or simply hang out with friends, why shouldn't they, chances are they have had the virus and showed no symptoms or if they get it they will recover in few days at home, so they get money from fines and they make people stay at home who can be out without much issues.

In the same time they pretend as if they are on top of the situation and that real measures are in place. It's a win-win for the Swiss government?
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We have no idea of infection no's as the population has not been tested, only a tiny percentage have been tested.
I presumed everyone would assume I'm going on the numbers which are online...

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You did not pay much attention in school when it comes to calculating percentages I guess

Switzerland has on percentage the highest confirmed infection rate of the 4 countries you mention.
Or paid attention and indeed didn't do too well in maths... I'll edit my post.
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*If they were possible to edit after the fact, ooops... Sorry for my poor maths skills...
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Old 14.04.2020, 11:25
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Are you telling me there is no staff looking after him/them at Chequers?
No, but the few people at Chequers are not running the country at the moment.

You may not like them but that is neither here nor there in your argument.

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Anyhow, he has tested negative the day after coming out.
So he's purely convalescing -as would anyone else be after being in intensive care with covid-19.
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If you ever wondered what political non-sense is, here is a prime example.

In an interview for Sonntagsblick , the Swiss President Sommaruga said:



So, we can not isolate a small percentage of all people because they are too many. 10-20-30%, who knows at this point.

So let's isolate EVERYONE, that makes sense

In the meantime, those vulnerable are doing picnics and walking up in the mountains, and if kids play football (who are not vulnerable at all and most likely the most resistant to the virus) the police will fine them and send them home.

Now, I can not see any other explanation from the Swiss Government other than the fact they don't want to protect the vulnerable at all?

They let the vulnerable on their own responsibility to be out at all times, even more than normally. They count they will catch the virus and 1 in 10 will die. Less strain on the pension/health system in Switzerland. That is a win for them.

Second they will go out and fine each kid and young adult that does sport or simply hang out with friends, why shouldn't they, chances are they have had the virus and showed no symptoms or if they get it they will recover in few days at home, so they get money from fines and they make people stay at home who can be out without much issues.

In the same time they pretend as if they are on top of the situation and that real measures are in place. It's a win-win for the Swiss government?
Football? Who cares about the kids? We missed the end of the ski season
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If you ever wondered what political non-sense is, here is a prime example.

In an interview for Sonntagsblick , the Swiss President Sommaruga said:



So, we can not isolate a small percentage of all people because they are too many. 10-20-30%, who knows at this point.

So let's isolate EVERYONE, that makes sense

In the meantime, those vulnerable are doing picnics and walking up in the mountains, and if kids play football (who are not vulnerable at all and most likely the most resistant to the virus) the police will fine them and send them home.

Now, I can not see any other explanation from the Swiss Government other than the fact they don't want to protect the vulnerable at all?

They let the vulnerable on their own responsibility to be out at all times, even more than normally. They count they will catch the virus and 1 in 10 will die. Less strain on the pension/health system in Switzerland. That is a win for them.

Second they will go out and fine each kid and young adult that does sport or simply hang out with friends, why shouldn't they, chances are they have had the virus and showed no symptoms or if they get it they will recover in few days at home, so they get money from fines and they make people stay at home who can be out without much issues.

In the same time they pretend as if they are on top of the situation and that real measures are in place. It's a win-win for the Swiss government?
Ah, another rubbish post from you, but we're used to that.

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Population
8,292,809 (July 2018 est.)
Age structure
0-14 years: 15.23% (male 650,151 /female 612,479)
15-24 years: 10.69% (male 453,003 /female 433,101)
25-54 years: 42.88% (male 1,781,425 /female 1,774,124)
55-64 years: 12.88% (male 535,457 /female 532,454)
65 years and over: 18.34% (male 672,024 /female 848,591) (2018 est.)
You're the only one talking about a small percentage while the president is saying that they cannot be isolated because they are not a small group. Also "Let's isolate everyone" is just another lie from you, since this did not happen.

Also old and young people have the same legal restrictions and both groups get fined if they are with to many.

And people can still go out to kick a ball with a friend or to do jogging.

C'mon I've seen you produce better trolling posts in this topic, you're starting to slack.
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The UK is seeing high death rates at the moment yet still has significant ICU bed capacity.
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And enough staff for those beds.
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I believe so, at the beginning of the crisis there was big concern that the NHS would become overwhelmed however until now this has failed materialise.
Source for these "facts " please. You appear to have different information to those friends of mine who work in hospitals. Especially those in ICUs.

The NHS is just about coping because of the social distancing and lockdown. Folk are actually not just going to A&E at the drop of a hat. Non-essential treatment has been postponed. As many services as possible have shifted to phone contact only.

I honestly do not think you have a clue but your "facts" support your anti-UK stance so I suppose that's why you spout them.
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Are you telling me there is no staff looking after him/them at Chequers? Anyhow, he has tested negative the day after coming out.
Are you implying he never had it?
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Where, and by whom? Source, please.
Still looking for the source of Jorido's assertion that "studies have shown" social restrictions have had no impact on virus spread.
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Still looking for the source of Jorido's assertion that "studies have shown" social restrictions have had no impact on virus spread.
According to a study done by Department of Bioscience and Engineering at ETH Zurich the virus spread was in decline in Switzerland while people were going on normally with their lifes, children were in school, restaurants were open... Not much changed in the virus spread since the introduction of the lock down



Pretty much what's happening in Sweden at the moment
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I don't believe Sweden has done a great job in reducing the spread of the virus, I think they've done a good job at assessing the risk it poses and acting accordingly. The fact that their numbers look good in relation to the rest of Europe is an unexpected bonus.

I was disheartened at the weekend to hear the Swedish PM performing a U-turn of sorts. With the numbers being so low, he should be pointing to that and the success that has been made of keeping the economy going.

This is the problem of short termism and politics in general. In spite of opinions like mine, there is still a huge majority of public support for the lockdowns. Politicians only see approval ratings and the next elections, so mostly ever take decisions based on that. It was also one of the reasons the UK government performed their U-turn and imposed a lockdown.

The irony being of course that when everyone is suffering and there is mass austerity imposed and tax rises for the next decade or more, many of the same people who called for the lockdowns will be complaining bitterly about their governments!!
Like with many things, it comes down to skewed incentives. If you lockdown, you can say it was necessary to save lives and nobody can prove otherwise. If you don't and people die (even if fewer than without the lockdown) you will get blamed for those.
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