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Germany to reopen schools and certain businesses on 4th of May

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I'm not. The only folk who are adamant that it's not as bad as it seems purport to be from the UK.

I could say the same about your constant references to CZ: even fewer CZ folk on here than Brits, I'd wager.
Hmm, and I thought at least half of the most active members are from UK.

RufusB, truth is most European health systems have struggled during this epidemic not only NHS. Particularly in countries with a high infection rate.
There were some articles in Wall Street Journal on this theme - why Eastern European countries seem to do better. "Wir schaffen das!"
I'll tell you why:
- we're poor hence our systems are severely underfinanced and our staff has emigrated in waves to better places to practice their (noble) profession. So we were afraid we can't cope gracefully and professionally if tens/hundreds of thousands of infected people would need hospitalisation and intensive care units etc (though surprisingly we have more beds in intensive care units than in the West)
- all the measures including lockdowns were taken much earlier and were stricter (fines, quarantines etc)
- people are asked to wear masks in the street and they can actually buy masks. Don't ask me how - maybe better relations with China, maybe they found small factories that used to do something related and they reoriented their activity etc
- when the state didn't cope, population/universities/businesses all chipped in - masks, 3D-printed face shields, private donations etc etc
It's behind a paywall, but there are quite a few articles here
https://www.wsj.com/articles/poorer-...us-11586718779
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Germany to reopen schools and certain businesses on 4th of May

I imagine Switzerland to follow
News says that tomorrow we'll get official announcement of a part of the schools opening on the 11th of may, but it depends on the numbers go when they open up stuff like garden centers, physiotherapy, barbershops and such on the 27th of April. If both of those don't cause the numbers peaking again bars and restaurants and such might follow on the 8th of June. As for concerts, festivals and such nothing is planned yet.

Mind that government will still have a meeting before the new decisions will be published.
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Switzerland's weekly death figures (all causes, not just COVID-19 related) for week 14 (Monday, March 30 – Sunday, April 5)
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According the Federal Statistical Office the first reports for week 15 indicate that the number of deaths is no longer increasing.
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Old 15.04.2020, 21:12
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Its obviously getting more new deaths than places with a stricter shutdown (like Switzerland) as these places will have flattened the curve quicker (but these extra deaths, are without wanting to be vulgar, de minimis compared to the positive affect on the economy, which will have saved more lives than lives lost to the virus).

Also obvious is the fact that without social distancing, things would be very bad and hospitals would be overwhelmed.

The question is whether mostly non-government induced social distancing is enough to flatten the curve and keep that infection ratio below 1. I hope so, because Sweden's short term game is more or less our long term game.... That's roughly what we want to be doing in a month or so.

Ultimately, the only reason to lockdown is to avoid overloading the health services. Once you are out of the woods in that respect, you need to move towards maintaining a infection ratio close to 1 rather than as low as possible to save the economy.
Could you please explain how the positive effect on the economy will have saved more lives) It is not like people are starving in Sweden; in fact, it is a major social state,
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Close enough for illustrative purposes.
We can easily prevent 95% (that's a bang on the nail % there) just by taking the old and sick/high risk out of the equation.

But this argument was done to (a premature and preventable) death much earlier in the thread.
37% of the Swiss population aged 15 and older is at risk, according to an article in the Tagesanzeiger a few days ago.

Clearly that's trivial to manage, innit.

And the children who are too dumb to understand and die ... Darwin at work, obviously, they deserve no better.
As for the demented or otherwise unable to understand ... who cares, they're human trash anyway.
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Chairman of the Israeli Space Agency and the National Council for Research and Development says models show COVID-19 declines after 6 weeks.

No matter the measures, the virus declines in 6-8 weeks.

However, Prof. Ben-Israel added that he "recommends that we take all the hygienic steps like wearing masks and keeping our distance from person to person and banning crowds because it does not cost the economy. What bothers me is the damage to the economy. We are paying NIS 100 billion a month because of this closure. This also has implications for health. We will pay with more human lives with our health system in the current state."
He should tell the Japanese, they had 20 cases February 1 already.
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Old 15.04.2020, 22:00
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37% of the Swiss population aged 15 and older is at risk, according to an article in the Tagesanzeiger a few days ago.
Below 50 age range numbers invisible on a graph. Majority in the 80+

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Its obviously getting more new deaths than places with a stricter shutdown (like Switzerland) as these places will have flattened the curve quicker (but these extra deaths, are without wanting to be vulgar, de minimis compared to the positive affect on the economy, which will have saved more lives than lives lost to the virus).
In places where the virus is less prevalent such as Austria, Finland, or Luxembourg the measures to curb the spread of COVID-19 seem to have a positive effect on the mortality of the elderly.
https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html

Looks like proper hygiene in nursing homes can prevent deaths. Hope we can keep some of those good practices.

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Could you please explain how the positive effect on the economy will have saved more lives)
A bad economy can lead to suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, homelessness. If we use life years lost as a measure instead of raw numbers a bad economy can be worse than COVID-19. In some years from today there will be papers published which will try to estimated those numbers and ask the question if what we are doing now was worth the price and actually saved lives overall.

You can do this morbid math. But what would be the morally correct choice if the model shows that letting COVID-19 run unhindered its course results in more life years saved than trying to curb it with all means? A life saved now is easy to tally, five life saved in ten years seams so far away.

Btw. we are already sacrificing humans to keep the economy running. People might not be aware about that but it is the truth. More than a million people die worldwide each year from traffic accidents and there are more than 2.7 million which die from work-place related accidents.

https://www.who.int/violence_injury_...tatus/2015/en/
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Old 15.04.2020, 22:38
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In places where the virus is less prevalent such as Austria, Finland, or Luxembourg the measures to curb the spread of COVID-19 seem to have a positive effect on the mortality of the elderly.
https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html

Looks like proper hygiene in nursing homes can prevent deaths. Hope we can keep some of those good practices.


A bad economy can lead to suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, homelessness. If we use life years lost as a measure instead of raw numbers a bad economy can be worse than COVID-19. In some years from today there will be papers published which will try to estimated those numbers and ask the question if what we are doing now was worth the price and actually saved lives overall.

You can do this morbid math. But what would be the morally correct choice if the model shows that letting COVID-19 run unhindered its course results in more life years saved than trying to curb it with all means? A life saved now is easy to tally, five life saved in ten years seams so far away.

Btw. we are already sacrificing humans to keep the economy running. People might not be aware about that but it is the truth. More than a million people die worldwide each year from traffic accidents and there are more than 2.7 million which die from work-place related accidents.

https://www.who.int/violence_injury_...tatus/2015/en/
https://www.ilo.org/global/topics/sa...--de/index.htm
This. There seem to be willingness to look for victims now, what social/ethnic strata is now more exposed to the direct risk of the virus and higher mortality. I don't understand why there isn't the same willingness of imagining the impact of the prolonged lockdown on people in the future, families, bankrupcies, depression, helplessness..from the economic crisis that is now starting.

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A bad economy can lead to suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, homelessness. If we use life years lost as a measure instead of raw numbers a bad economy can be worse than COVID-19. In some years from today there will be papers published which will try to estimated those numbers and ask the question if what we are doing now was worth the price and actually saved lives overall.

You can do this morbid math. But what would be the morally correct choice if the model shows that letting COVID-19 run unhindered its course results in more life years saved than trying to curb it with all means? A life saved now is easy to tally, five life saved in ten years seams so far away.

Btw. we are already sacrificing humans to keep the economy running. People might not be aware about that but it is the truth. More than a million people die worldwide each year from traffic accidents and there are more than 2.7 million which die from work-place related accidents.

https://www.who.int/violence_injury_...tatus/2015/en/
https://www.ilo.org/global/topics/sa...--de/index.htm
This. Particularly in bold. And I would throw in social strife/conflict into the mix too.

Maybe homelessness is less of an immediate issue particularly in Switzerland, even Germany and Scandinavia, but it certainly is in many other places in Europe as well as the US, and let's not even get started on the knock-on effect on countries in the Global South.

Also, irrational and/or misplaced and/or exaggerated fears lead to absurd consequences. Post-9/11 fear of flying led to 1600 more deaths in car accidents in the US than normal.

Similar things will happen post-this-situation and as aSitU says, 3-5 years from now there'll be plenty of studies on the long-term effects.

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I don't understand why there isn't the same willingness of imagining the impact of the prolonged lockdown on people in the future, families, bankrupcies, depression, helplessness..from the economic crisis that is now starting.
Amen. Well the crisis the has already started, but beyond that - couldn't agree more. And a point among others you and I have been trying to make for weeks. Apparently it's still not welcome.

I'm certainly in an extremely luxurious position - I can do my job wherever, am basically at next to zero risk of losing it too, and the long-term effect on my financial situation will be minimal. But I have family who works at hourly rates and has been on standby for weeks, heck I even know one doctor who has been essentially out of work for weeks, I have friends who just bought restaurants or hair/cosmetics salons and now face bankruptcy if this shit goes on any longer, I know freelance physiotherapists and psychotherapists (not psychiatrists) who are not allowed to do their jobs, and no, the "government money" isn't always enough and certainly won't be for much longer. I also have friends including partner who are from or live in LatAm and US, and either they themselves or their families face a whole range of other issues including losing their entire income from literally one second to another, and there's often zero point zero social security. So yeah, I care, about what this may mean for their physical and mental health, and no, this has nothing to do with "wanting to see people die from the virus"

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I'm certainly in an extremely luxurious position - I can do my job wherever, am basically at next to zero risk of losing it too, and the long-term effect on my financial situation will be minimal. But I have family who works at hourly rates and has been on standby for weeks, I have friends who just bought restaurants or hair/cosmetics salons and now face bankruptcy if this shit goes on any longer, I know freelance physiotherapists and psychotherapists ...
I'm pretty sure places will start re-opening soon, with hygiene measures. The lockdown was not meant to last more than a few weeks, it was an attempt to prevent a Lombardy-style tsunami, in the uncertain situation when it felt to "better over-do it than do too little." Also a kind of a way to drive home the point that "it's not just a flu, people really do take care!" So by now the tsunami has been avoided, awareness is there (mostly), more knowledge and experience is there and there is no need for draconian measures, just monitoring, smart behavior and targeted action. I personally believe the economy will eventually be more or less fine, at least here.

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It was at 1300 or so cases a day. Now its in the 200s, we are way past the peak. Giving it another week from 19-26 April will have allayed a lot of fears - by the 26 we should hopefully have less than 100 new cases daily.
What makes you think the daily new positives is what they rely on? Where did they, the BAG for instance or Berset, say so?

The point is to flatten the curve and the load on the healthcare system so that should be expected to be their measure. You may think the 15-20% reduction of hospital cases is a significant enough, however the number of ICU cases needed to come down at least a bit first. That's probably why they needed to wait some more.

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What makes you think the daily new positives is what they rely on? Where did they, the BAG for instance or Berset, say so?

The point is to flatten the curve and the load on the healthcare system so that should be expected to be their measure. You may think the 15-20% reduction of hospital cases is a significant enough, however the number of ICU cases needed to come down at least a bit first. That's probably why they needed to wait some more.

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The number of new cases now directly will obviously influence ICU capacity in c. 1-2 weeks time as there is a significant lag from diagnosis to icu. Given this, we can can be confident total/icu cases will for sure decline pretty dramatically over the next fortnight simply following the trend we have already observed for new cases. Obviously I understand a degree of conservatism but I think we are passed the point where there's a significant risk of imminent overflow. As I said above, I'm pretty happy with the 26th all in all. Seems to keep everyone happy, and that's important.

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Amen. Well the crisis the has already started, but beyond that - couldn't agree more. And a point among others you and I have been trying to make for weeks. Apparently it's still not welcome.

I'm certainly in an extremely luxurious position - I can do my job wherever, am basically at next to zero risk of losing it too, and the long-term effect on my financial situation will be minimal. But I have family who works at hourly rates and has been on standby for weeks, heck I even know one doctor who has been essentially out of work for weeks, I have friends who just bought restaurants or hair/cosmetics salons and now face bankruptcy if this shit goes on any longer, I know freelance physiotherapists and psychotherapists (not psychiatrists) who are not allowed to do their jobs, and no, the "government money" isn't always enough and certainly won't be for much longer. I also have friends including partner who are from or live in LatAm and US, and either they themselves or their families face a whole range of other issues including losing their entire income from literally one second to another, and there's often zero point zero social security. So yeah, I care, about what this may mean for their physical and mental health, and no, this has nothing to do with "wanting to see people die from the virus"
To me it seems that you're rushing a bit and are misjudging people's concerns. I think most if not all people worry about economy, maybe some more than others but I think we can all visualise what can happen if we're blocked in this crisis and don't find solutions to gradually open the economy - or well, the part that has been closed.

On the other hand there will be a big economic crisis, whether we open everything and are willing to sacrifice people now, or not. Maybe people won't like it, but those businesses that are offering services that people don't absolutely need will see their clientele shrinking and there's nothing you can do about. I know, there are people who can't shave themselves, but a lot of others will start doing it. Those who can't cook will start doing it. Less people in restaurants willing to spend their savings anyway. And etc etc etc. My opinion is that fear will persist for months if not years to go, and you can't force people out of their fear or prudence with their spendings. We can't go back where we are right now. Not for a long time. Fear will persist as long as you don't take serious precautionary measures and keep some of those things everyone is unhappy for in place for longer.

Opening schools now will be a huge mistake. But doctors or health practitioners and other essential staff should be able to do their job because people are not dying only because of this new virus, but also because those things you mentioned - alcoholism, depression, etc
We're in big trouble either way. We must find the middle ground. Adopting and talking from polarised positions and maintaining this polarisation will not help anyone. We're all in the same boat, directly or indirectly. Saying that people who wish to maintain the lockdown for longer, not for ever but for longer, don't care about economy or other folks is false. Maybe we prioritise differently, but we're all there with our concerns.

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Btw. we are already sacrificing humans to keep the economy running. People might not be aware about that but it is the truth. More than a million people die worldwide each year from traffic accidents and there are more than 2.7 million which die from work-place related accidents.
...so the lockdown is saving even more lives that we all thought. Less traffic for sure equals less accidents!
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Its obviously getting more new deaths than places with a stricter shutdown (like Switzerland) as these places will have flattened the curve quicker (but these extra deaths, are without wanting to be vulgar, de minimis compared to the positive affect on the economy, which will may have saved more lives than lives lost to the virus
Fixed that for you. Now - got any evidence to back that up?
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Fixed that for you. Now - got any evidence to back that up?
I don't see any evidence for this hypothesis. Their starting point is that economy will start over exactly from where it was a couple of months ago.

People still buying luxury products or services as before. Travelling as before etc etc
Now what I'm personally afraid of is that govs will start printing money and not stimulating those economic activities that really matter. Food matters. Health matters. Transportation (in safety) matters. Education matters. Social protection matters.
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