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Old 04.05.2020, 21:47
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So you are a lawbreaker; nothing to be proud of.
Lol - sure, that's a completely logical conclusion. Especially as I never said I WASN'T vaccinated, just that no one ever asked.
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Old 04.05.2020, 22:06
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Lol - sure, that's a completely logical conclusion. Especially as I never said I WASN'T vaccinated, just that no one ever asked.
So you were vaccinated and you, therefore, prove the system works.
Well done.
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How so?
If the infection rate is much higher than the testing results suggest then Ro is going to be higher, meaning the containment measures are more than necessary.
The mortality rate will fall but still be above any normal flu.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...n-who-estimate
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Old 05.05.2020, 06:50
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Re: Coronavirus

What the f**k is wrong with these people! Wake up America, your "liberty" is not more valuable than your miserable lives.

"A woman has been charged along with her husband and son with killing a security guard who refused her daughter entry to a shop because she was not wearing a face covering.

Calvin Munerlyn, 43, was shot in the back of the head on Friday at the Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan, one of the US states hardest hit by the pandemic.

He was attacked after telling 45-year-old Sharmel Teague's daughter she could not come into the shop without a state-mandated mask"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52540266
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Old 05.05.2020, 07:15
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What the f**k is wrong with these people! Wake up America, your "liberty" is not more valuable than your miserable lives.

"A woman has been charged along with her husband and son with killing a security guard who refused her daughter entry to a shop because she was not wearing a face covering.

Calvin Munerlyn, 43, was shot in the back of the head on Friday at the Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan, one of the US states hardest hit by the pandemic.

He was attacked after telling 45-year-old Sharmel Teague's daughter she could not come into the shop without a state-mandated mask"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52540266
OMG, Medea!!!

I'm having my first coffee with the news and a bit of EF and first thing I see is this.

Of course bad things happen all over the world and the pandemic and restrictions seem to bring out the worst in some people, maybe we should have a separated thread for people donating stuff and money, students all over the world coming along with IT solutions, 3D-printed masks, factories reorienting their activity to fill the demand for masks etc etc Heroic doctors and nurses all around...brave patients recovering.
I am just saying...

Sorry, I suppose I just like my coffee with a bit of peace.
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What the f**k is wrong with these people! Wake up America, your "liberty" is not more valuable than your miserable lives.

"A woman has been charged along with her husband and son with killing a security guard who refused her daughter entry to a shop because she was not wearing a face covering.

Calvin Munerlyn, 43, was shot in the back of the head on Friday at the Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan, one of the US states hardest hit by the pandemic.

He was attacked after telling 45-year-old Sharmel Teague's daughter she could not come into the shop without a state-mandated mask"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52540266
Well CNN said nothingIndirectly another Corona death
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Old 05.05.2020, 09:13
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It wouldn't of course Most countries don't ask for proof for any immunity (via vaccine or otherwise) for any other disease, many of which are significantly more contagious (Measles, for example). Why would anyone ask for this?

And implementation would be next to impossible, especially in less wealthy countries.
You may have that perception if you're the type of traveller who just has 2 weeks on the Med in summer, but business travellers are well aware that a large number of countries require proof of vaccination as part of their visa application process.

List of current vaccination requirements by country - https://www.who.int/ith/2016-ith-county-list.pdf

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Do you think I may have been taking the mickey out of our spokesman with that comment?
I was too busy dodging the toys getting chucked out of your pram to notice.
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Old 05.05.2020, 09:22
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You can't say with any certainty that the max is 10 times, at least 10 times is likely probably more, especially when the French now realise it's been in France since December & it's likely the majority of people show zero or mild symptoms.
I can say that with reasonable certainty as there have now been a number of research projects that point to a number somewhere in the 2 to 10x range. The 10x comes from the study published yesterday (or the day before?) in Germany which many virologists believe to be a maximum and probably an overstatement.

It is perfectly possible that the case in France - if indeed confirmed as there are questions over it - simply didn't lead to further transmission. Less likely but certainly not impossible.
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I was too busy dodging the toys getting chucked out of your pram to notice.
You'll never make troll.
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Old 05.05.2020, 10:08
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You should know.
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Old 05.05.2020, 10:37
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You may have that perception if you're the type of traveller who just has 2 weeks on the Med in summer, but business travellers are well aware that a large number of countries require proof of vaccination as part of their visa application process.
Don't worry, I am a business traveller, have never done "two weeks on the Med", have been to 55+ countries on all continents and have held many visas for many places - so yeah, I do know and no, not once was I asked to show proof of vaccinations. That is my personal experience, not more, not less. Not to mention, once more, that there IS no vaccine for this current virus and to ask for immunity in this context is absolutely stupid - especially considering that we were now locked in for 2 months to avoid getting infected, to now suddenly hear that actually having been infected would be an advantage. Completely moronic.
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Old 05.05.2020, 10:44
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- especially considering that we were now locked in for 2 months to avoid getting infected, to now suddenly hear that actually having been infected would be an advantage. Completely moronic.
Has anyone been getting "Right at your door" vibes from this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_at_Your_Door
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How so?



So? I've been to several of them, none ever asked for proof that I was vaccinated. That's the point - not whether it's a "requirement", but whether anyone realistically would ever ask and the answer to that is nope.

It is OK if you don’t have the yellow fever vaccination card, there is always a guy with an injection with the immigration police willing to inject and charge you for it. I have travelled from Tanzania to Kenya, Ghana to Togo and the immigration police won’t let you in, if you don’t have your little “yellow passport”. There is a always guy (not a qualified doctor or a nurse) usually in a little booth you can get it done with while a policeman carrying a massive gun supervises it.
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Re: Coronavirus

New normal tourism Australasia style - Australia & New Zealands comfort zone tourist's until a
vaccine is found.
Both Australia and New Zealand have banned foreigners entering their respective countries
without a 2 week quarantine. In fact New Zealand's PM Jacinda Ardern says her country will not
have open borders with the rest of the world for a long time to come.

Instead the two countries are seriously discussing a possible 'trans-Tasman bubble' where
people could travel freely between Australia and New Zealand without quarantine.

BBC News - New normal Trans-Tasman visitors proposed for Australia & NZ
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Old 05.05.2020, 11:21
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New normal tourism Australasia style - Australia & New Zealands comfort zone tourist's until a
vaccine is found.
Both Australia and New Zealand have banned foreigners entering their respective countries
without a 2 week quarantine. In fact New Zealand's PM Jacinda Ardern says her country will not
have open borders with the rest of the world for a long time to come.

Instead the two countries are seriously discussing a possible 'trans-Tasman bubble' where
people could travel freely between Australia and New Zealand without quarantine.

BBC News - New normal Trans-Tasman visitors proposed for Australia & NZ
Easy to do when you are isolated in a corner of the Earth! The rest of us don't have that luxury.

What is interesting is that they're happy to foresake 6% of GDP as tourism won't be possible for the foreseeable future. It makes one wonder how countries like Spain, Italy and Greece could fare when anything up to 20% of their GDP comes from tourism.
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Old 05.05.2020, 11:21
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Has anyone been getting "Right at your door" vibes from this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_at_Your_Door
I need to read this as I don’t know it. But certainly makes you wonder about the logic of all these suggestions and what comes next. A tattoo on our foreheads - immune vs non-immune?

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Easy to do when you are isolated in a corner of the Earth! The rest of us don't have that luxury.

What is interesting is that they're happy to foresake 6% of GDP as tourism won't be possible for the foreseeable future. It makes one wonder how countries like Spain, Italy and Greece could fare when anything up to 20% of their GDP comes from tourism.
No worries, this will lead to social unrest and push-back soon enough.

From a social perspective, it's intriguing to observe anyway. That's the flipside of the funny newstickers they've been throwing at us for months now. Now that the numbers go down and are in many cases outright negligible and not worth mentioning, some people in the public sphere show surprise that others are starting to get upset and slowly rebel against measures (even if at this point still at a surprisingly limited level - but same here, let's just wait another few weeks). Well if you play with fear and the-world-is-coming-to-an-end-we're-all-going-to-die scenarios for months, people comply initially of course, but you can't be surprised if once that presumed threat/danger has dissipated, they start questioning more and more about what the hell is even going on here.
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Old 05.05.2020, 11:28
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No worries, this will lead to social unrest and push-back soon enough.
I'm not so sure, governments around the world have been so successful at scaring the living daylights out of people that is still quite a lot of reluctance to come out of lockdown. Perhaps when it starts hitting people's pockets they'll act.
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I'm not so sure, governments around the world have been so successful at scaring the living daylights out of people that is still quite a lot of reluctance to come out of lockdown. Perhaps when it starts hitting people's pockets they'll act.
Yeah you're right. I added a comment above on that. I do believe the tides are turning - slowly, but they are. You see more and more critical voices. My guess is they will become louder in the next 2-3 weeks. And as you say, once the majority sees the real consequences of this - most of all unemployment and financial implications - they loud voices will become screams at some point. They always do. There's only so much people are willing to accept in so-called free countries.
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Old 05.05.2020, 11:39
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No worries, this will lead to social unrest and push-back soon enough.
In Australia or New Zealand? Very much doubt it.

Haven't been able to find actual figures with a quick search but I could easily imagine that tourism in and out of those countries is roughly balanced - as much goes out as comes in. Given that the locals basically won't be able to easily travel out of their region for tourism purposes I suspect much of the outward tourism will simply turn inward, going some way to neutralise the impact. Not totally but still....

But Spain and Greece in particular are a bit screwed.
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Old 05.05.2020, 11:40
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Don't worry, I am a business traveller, have never done "two weeks on the Med", have been to 55+ countries on all continents and have held many visas for many places - so yeah, I do know and no, not once was I asked to show proof of vaccinations. That is my personal experience, not more, not less. Not to mention, once more, that there IS no vaccine for this current virus and to ask for immunity in this context is absolutely stupid - especially considering that we were now locked in for 2 months to avoid getting infected, to now suddenly hear that actually having been infected would be an advantage. Completely moronic.
I think the point was that countries may have an entry requirement of proof of vaccination for COVID-19, when one becomes available.



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Yeah you're right. I added a comment above on that. I do believe the tides are turning - slowly, but they are. You see more and more critical voices. My guess is they will become louder in the next 2-3 weeks. And as you say, once the majority sees the real consequences of this - most of all unemployment and financial implications - they loud voices will become screams at some point. They always do. There's only so much people are willing to accept in so-called free countries.
You've got direct democracy here.
Instead of moaning about the lock-down on every post you post here, why don't you exercise your democratic right?

Don't you just hate keyboard warriors.
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