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Old 07.05.2020, 14:48
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No it doesn't. It says in week 17 (ALONE) there was hardly any excess and that the excess declined from weeks 14 to 17. It does not say there was barely any excess from weeks 14 to 17.

As I said before, there is a csv file linked from the BAG report where you can see the raw data. Open it up and compare the expected and actual deaths for weeks 13 to 17 for yourself.
It is difficult to draw any conclusions from the raw data.
For example, due to the Swiss strategy, there were likely far fewer road accidents and industrial accidents and all sorts of other factors to take into account.
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Perhaps, but I think age, underlying health conditions and ethnicity are bigger factors than poverty. Despite what one reads in the newspapers, the statistics still show that anyone under 60 who is otherwise healthy is over 99% likely to come through the virus unscathed.
By "unscathed", I presume you mean "not dead".
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...and how long before Italy retaliated and decided to stop Italian health workers crossing the border and getting them to work in Italy? Could we even risk that? As Urs wrote this was a very real risk on the French border.
OK we don't know the full story with the Italians but I highly doubt they'd disallow their citizens to leave the country and as far as returning home, every citizen has the right to. Even if Italy intended to do this kind of blocking, surely CH could negotiate something. And lastly, a lot of these health care workers were staying in Ticino anyway, in hotels, in houses volunteered by the Tichinese, etc.
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Old 07.05.2020, 17:02
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Re: Coronavirus

I've complained that the EU didn't take leadership in the corona crisis, but they did here

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Perhaps, but I think age, underlying health conditions and ethnicity are bigger factors than poverty. Despite what one reads in the newspapers, the statistics still show that anyone under 60 who is otherwise healthy is over 99% likely to come through the virus unscathed.
The thing is that underlying health conditions have a very great deal with poverty - lack of health care access, lack of good nutrition. For example, look at the US. Poverty is confounded with ethnicity, underlying health conditions and crowding. In Israel, Haredi populations are especially at risk - again crowding and poverty.

In Italy, I suspect it might be less to do with poverty, but lifestyle - multigenerational families and again crowding.

Maybe it’s crowding.
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Old 07.05.2020, 17:35
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Remember those images of coffins lined up waiting for army trucks to take them in Bergamo? Some EFers members were posting them a while back.

Fake news. Those images were from a boat accident Italy in 2013
Some EFers? C'mon, point us to those posts, it's only a thread about corona.
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Old 07.05.2020, 17:39
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Yawn. A one trick pony.
I hope you will also like this graph of excess deaths in the whole of the US during this coronavirus season.
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In Italy, I suspect it might be less to do with poverty, but lifestyle - multigenerational families and again crowding.
Oh yes, with poverty too. Not all Italians had spare money/savings to go smoothly over the quarantine. Yes, in many countries there's a strong link between poverty and number of cases/deaths.
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Some EFers? C'mon, point us to those posts, it's only a thread about corona.
The usual suspects...

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You still have to explain to us that if this is just another flu why Italy which is ahead of us needs army trucks to be able to dispose of the bodies, never seen them do that with the flu.

Just a straight answer please this time and not another irrelevant link or dumb comparison.
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Ah yes, the great flu season of 2018 when they also every night had a long row of army trucks to transport bodies to other places due to lack of capacity.. oh wait....
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Yup, luckily we can take a bit bigger hit on percentage than Italy before we run into trouble since we also have more medical employees and hospital beds on percentage, also we have a younger population.

However if we don't stop the numbers from going up than eventually we also need trucks instead of hearses.
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Remember those images of coffins lined up waiting for army trucks to take them in Bergamo? Some EFers members were posting them a while back.

Fake news. Those images were from a boat accident Italy in 2013

The picture shown in THAT article are fake! Not the one I posted here.
I challenge you to go back to the one I posted and prove they are fake.
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The usual suspects...
You were asked to tell us who used those pictures since it is you who claimed some people on EF did.

You're as usual telling lies again.. and again.. and again..

Oh BTW in the quotes you did there is still a question open to you that you never answered
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I hope you will also like this graph of excess deaths in the whole of the US during this coronavirus season.
Do you have a graph of the number of posts you make on the Trump thread on a weekly basis?
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You were asked to tell us who used those pictures since it is you who claimed some people on EF did.

You're as usual telling lies again.. and again.. and again..

Oh BTW in the quotes you did there is still a question open to you that you never answered
That AFP debunking article is the worst of the worst: it start with some fake pictures which were posted by some random people on Facebook and correctly identify them as fake. Up to that point is a very good debunking article.

But then it place some links to other articles with real fact and real pictures. Totally unrelated links without any of the fake pictures. It just leave the reader making the conclusion that these are fake too. I have no words...
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Old 07.05.2020, 19:09
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Do you have a graph of the number of posts you make on the Trump thread on a weekly basis?
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That AFP debunking article is the worst of the worst: it start with some fake pictures which were posted by some random people on Facebook and correctly identify them as fake. Up to that point is a very good debunking article.

But then it place some links to other articles with real fact and real pictures. Totally unrelated links without any of the fake pictures. It just leave the reader making the conclusion that these are fake too. I have no words...
We have a new "species" - corona virus deniers. A few weeks ago most (normal) people were still worried about Italy and what's happening there, now some say those were fake news. All those deaths, all that consternation with which most (normal) people have watched Italy...

Sigh.
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We have a new "species" - corona virus deniers. A few weeks ago most (normal) people were still worried about Italy and what's happening there, now some say those were fake news. All those deaths, all that consternation with which most (normal) people have watched Italy...

Sigh.
Maybe the Corona virus deniers will form an alliance with the Climate change deniers with Trump as their mentor.
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Old 07.05.2020, 21:24
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Re: Coronavirus

What could be worse than the lockdown?
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Men who have recovered from coronavirus should abstain from sex in order to avoid passing the virus on via their semen, a new study suggests.

Patients in China who donated samples several days after virus symptoms had faded were found to show evidence of Covid-19.

The findings have left scientists worried that the deadly disease could be sexually transmitted, raising the prospect of health chiefs advising people to avoid having sex for a set time after the end of their symptoms.
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It is not worse than flu
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Is anyone able to explain to me how super smug Germany have been able to come out of this with so few deaths in relation to the other larger European nations?

I'm struggling to see how for a virus where there is no cure can have affected them less than other countries. Germany didn't go into lockdown particularly early compared to neighbouring countries, they were successful at ramping up testing however the vast majority of tests came back negative. The healthcare system hasn't been overrun, but neither was it in France or the UK.

Could it just be that there were less infections there to begin with? Or that the majority of those affected were young so that they were more likely to recover? Culture, population density, elderly taking the risk seriously?
Sauerkraut is apparently a decent immune system booster

https://www.marinmagazine.com/boost-...th-sauerkraut/

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"A father was amazed when he read Teacher's message. He would appear at school on Monday with a plexiglass visor, mask and gloves, wash his hands every few minutes and keep the greatest possible distance from the first graders, he told the parents. Because his wife was an asthma sufferer and he did not want to endanger her or the newborn child. The teacher who teaches at a primary school in western Switzerland is not the only one who is afraid of being infected. Informal inquiries show that the responsible cantonal education department expects 15 to 20 percent of teachers not to attend classes on Monday."
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