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UK does not have to pay for commitments made by the EU after the UK lost its membership. So if the EU decides to waste a trillion on the southern countries this is not a UK problem.
Thanks for correcting me Edwin. Nice to know.
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Old 10.05.2020, 18:34
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Coronavirus is costing between CHF11 billion and CHF17 billion a month, putting such a strain on the Swiss economy that it will take years to recover. Swiss National Bank (SNB) chairman Thomas Jordan has predicted the worst depression since the 1930s.
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Old 10.05.2020, 20:08
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I think the lack of leadership cost a lot of lives. People aren't voicing it yet since half of Eurpe is still in crisis but I expect a major reaction when the worst blows over.
Individual states are responsible for health issues, not the EU.

A poor attempt to blame the EU for something not within their responsibility.

If the individual states had wanted the EU to take control then they should have requested a rule change, but nobody did.
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Old 10.05.2020, 20:11
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Do you even read what you write? Of course Sweden’s economy is going to suffer if the WORLD economy goes into lockdown perhaps if the world had taken a leaf out of Sweden’s book in how to tackle the crisis there would have been minimal impact to the world economy.
Perhaps? Difficult to concentrate when a squadron of pigs is flying past.

You are claiming that Sweden created its strategy without considering what was happening globally
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Old 10.05.2020, 20:22
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Very very good speech by Boris Johnson.
Caring, considerate and clear.
Good job!!
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Old 10.05.2020, 20:23
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Fact and projection are two different things sadly. The actual facts are at present firmly on Sweden's side. Check out Q1 figures. Yes that's only Q1 but there's already a huge difference. If Q2 reverses this then I apologise in advance, but for now I'm sticking with my opinion.
Sure, probably the Swedish central bank has no clue about economics.

Swedish Q1 GDP -0.3%.
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Old 10.05.2020, 20:55
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It's not about legal attributions. The EU should have taken leadership in a crisis that affects all its members and could at least have coordinated the measures taken by individual countries. Crisis times is when leadership counts and when one should be visible and take responsibility.
Sure but a significant side effect of the EU not having responsibility for health; which is the responsibility of the individual states, is they do not have a relevant infrastructure to manage health issues.

On 19th March, the EU did launch an advisory panel on COVID-19 composed of epidemiologists and virologists from different Member States to formulate EU guidelines on science-based and coordinated risk management measures.
They called in people from different Member States because they do not have their own experts.

Other EU actions are listed here.
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Very very good speech by Boris Johnson.
Caring, considerate and clear.
Good job!!
Really? I thought the non-message was utterly vague. He just trotted out his naughtyboy confessional expression and gave us word salad.

I'd like to see a whole load of folk get to work without public transport...

All ifs buts ands maybes depending on "the science."
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"On Friday, the federal government backed away from the rule requiring diners to provide personal details. It is advised but no longer compulsory. The federal council pointed out that it is on clients’ interest to provide their details so they can be informed if a member of the restaurant’s staff later tests positive."
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Individual states are responsible for health issues, not the EU.

A poor attempt to blame the EU for something not within their responsibility.

If the individual states had wanted the EU to take control then they should have requested a rule change, but nobody did.
One thing is for sure: EU needs to communicate better.


There's not only a corona pandemic, but also an infodemic...

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It's not about legal attributions. The EU should have taken leadership in a crisis that affects all its members and could at least have coordinated the measures taken by individual countries. Crisis times is when leadership counts and when one should be visible and take responsibility.
Something in your post about taking leadership is very interesting. I was musing today about leadership, in between work I needed to do. I think there's a huge difference in how people see leadership, in general. We can have the more authoritarian kind, with (strict) orders coming from the top to the bottom, and there's the cooperative, consensus based one. I think EU chose the second alternative, given the fact that they/nobody had any clue, relatively speaking of course, in regards with this pandemic, at least in the beginning. Hope things will improve.
I'm more concerned about what we'll do to fix the economy tbh. Invest or spend as before, or invest or spend wisely and strategically as of now, taking into consideration each country's potential of development and grow. Well, time will tell.

In a different order, anyone here happy with re-opening of schools?

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"On Friday, the federal government backed away from the rule requiring diners to provide personal details. It is advised but no longer compulsory. The federal council pointed out that it is on clients’ interest to provide their details so they can be informed if a member of the restaurant’s staff later tests positive."
From where are you quoting this, please?

As I understood it, the Federal Council was emphatic that the rule about collecting diners' personal details, and how to implement it, was not made by them at all, but was a way of operating proposed by the professional board of restaurantiers.
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Really? I thought the non-message was utterly vague. He just trotted out his naughtyboy confessional expression and gave us word salad.

I'd like to see a whole load of folk get to work without public transport...

All ifs buts ands maybes depending on "the science."
I cannot abide to his Brexit politics and the impact it will have (even less so as a non-Brit with a British partner), but there, in this Covid situation, after catching it himself I found him very changed. I found him real.
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From where are you quoting this, please?

As I understood it, the Federal Council was emphatic that the rule about collecting diners' personal details, and how to implement it, was not made by them at all, but was a way of operating proposed by the professional board of restaurantiers.
https://lenews.ch/2020/05/07/coronav...s-restaurants/

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https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/change-...tary-/45746638

"People in Switzerland will be able to go to bars and restaurants again from May 11, but they will be urged, rather than required, to leave their phone numbers.
On Friday it was confirmed by a government statement the need to leave telephone numbers would be voluntary, rather than necessary, as was first understood."

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Old 11.05.2020, 06:04
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Very very good speech by Boris Johnson.
Caring, considerate and clear.
Good job!!
I listen to him with my eyes shut because I can't bear to watch him. First half was good (credit where it's due) but when it came to the detail moving forward, (to quote the man himself) he "spaffed it up the wall". Absolute fudge and nobody will be any the wiser until it's all gone over in the HoC tomorrow. Saw a couple of news readers stumped on how to explain it all last night.

The first half had hints of being humbled by his own experience, but then the ebullient persona switched on and detail went out of the window. Still papping on about 500,000 possible death toll when the actual number touted was 850,000, but hey! It's just details...
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If they do find a vaccine would YOU take it?
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Australia. 97 deaths and they close the whole country and impose lockdownAnd the majority of deaths were in nursing homes. Meaning most of them had prexisting medical conditions.
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If they do find a vaccine would YOU take it?
Yes, absolutely.

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I agree with your valid points
and I think he did a really good job in that speech (and far better than what we’re hearing from the other side of the pond).

Also, Covid is calling the shots, and dictating the rules, not human beings.
There’s no security anywhere.
Is it foolish to say nobody knows and it depends on the science or is it just reality?

I’m gutted by the new UK quarantine rules.
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I cannot abide to his Brexit politics and the impact it will have (even less so as a non-Brit with a British partner), but there, in this Covid situation, after catching it himself I found him very changed. I found him real.
I found him real as well. The fact that the British government started with the russian roulette strategy of herd immunity and then got wiser after listening to the scientists and dared to changed their strategy is also something i respect about this government.
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I found him real as well. The fact that the British government started with the russian roulette strategy of herd immunity and then got wiser after listening to the scientists and dared to changed their strategy is also something i respect about this government.
Or is it simply because he speaks with a plum in the mouth that gives you the impression he is real?

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I’m gutted by the new UK quarantine rules.
Right now, given the UK has the highest rate of active infections in Europe, it would be completely pointless. There's far more chance of any given random person in the UK having the virus than any new arrival.

If, when they actually bring it in, it only applies to arrivals from places with more active infections than the UK then no problem (on current trends that would mainly apply to Americans).

But I fear it is coming to satisfy the Xenophobic minds of the current ruling clique and will be used as a further anti-foreigner measure.

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...(and far better than what we’re hearing from the other side of the pond)...
That's a pretty low bar.
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