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I listen to him with my eyes shut because I can't bear to watch him.
In desperation, I've even tried the other way round.
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pre corona zurich. those were the times!!


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I found him real as well. The fact that the British government started with the russian roulette strategy of herd immunity and then got wiser after listening to the scientists and dared to changed their strategy is also something i respect about this government.
That's the problem though, they didn't listen to the science as there wasn't any, they just panicked based on a single dodgy paper from Imperial College where the scientist that published it, Neil Ferguson, has a long history of getting things wrong.

The UK had prepared long for a flu epidemic which is why they were slow to adapt to Covid, but then they followed the lead of other nations in going into lockdown. Latest research suggests if they'd stuck to the original plan then herd immunity may have been achieved as only 10-20% of the population need to have been infected for it to become effective.

This is only another single paper, however it shows that the science is by no means agreed on.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/05...o-be-infected/

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I’m gutted by the new UK quarantine rules.
Don't worry, France is exempt from UK quarantine measures in a reciprocal agreement (Not sure how they're to do this whilst arrivals from other Schengen/EU will have to quarantine). So all one has to do is drive to the UK and one is not obliged to quarantine. Go figure
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Old 11.05.2020, 08:51
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What's the betting that the people who find Boris's message confusing are the same people who were confused by the Brexit result in 2016 and the tory landslide in 2019.
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I listen to him with my eyes shut because I can't bear to watch him. First half was good (credit where it's due) but when it came to the detail moving forward, (to quote the man himself) he "spaffed it up the wall". Absolute fudge and nobody will be any the wiser until it's all gone over in the HoC tomorrow. Saw a couple of news readers stumped on how to explain it all last night.

The first half had hints of being humbled by his own experience, but then the ebullient persona switched on and detail went out of the window. Still papping on about 500,000 possible death toll when the actual number touted was 850,000, but hey! It's just details...
Didn't listen to his speech because I had no time but I trust some people's opinions on this one. I think he can come across as sensible and protective when he wants, this BJ. Couple that with the recent experience of his own, and probably the worries he had for his pregnant partner and the child who was about to come into this world, man, that must have been taugh for anyone, including him.
Maybe he's more humble now? Conservatives are rarely humble in my experience.

As for the death tolls and the number of infections, thinking that "Russia with love" is on the same path. Putin denied they had covid-19 cases (actually that there's an epidemic there too), and when you see the numbers now....it's bad. Sigh. Leadership, no?
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Australia. 97 deaths and they close the whole country and impose lockdownAnd the majority of deaths were in nursing homes. Meaning most of them had prexisting medical conditions.
Yeah, what a load of bollocks, eh? Would've been FAR better if they'd followed the UK example and had a free-for-all resulting in 11,958 deaths*, wouldn't it?

And yeah, those dead people in Australia were just old people. That's all.

Just shut up, omtatsat. Contribute something useful, or bugger off back home.

By the way, you got this totally the wrong way around: "97 deaths and they close the whole country and impose lockdown".



* 37.5% of the UK total death count... so far... (pro rata, based on population)

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Australia. 97 deaths and they close the whole country and impose lockdownAnd the majority of deaths were in nursing homes. Meaning most of them had prexisting medical conditions.
They were already locked down!
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They were already locked down!
Exactly my point. Cause and effect.
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As for the death tolls and the number of infections, thinking that "Russia with love" is on the same path. Putin denied they had covid-19 cases (actually that there's an epidemic there too), and when you see the numbers now....it's bad. Sigh. Leadership, no?
True, but even worse than that was displayed in Belarus over the weekend https://www.reuters.com/article/us-w...-idUSKBN22L0H5
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True, but even worse than that was displayed in Belarus over the weekend https://www.reuters.com/article/us-w...-idUSKBN22L0H5
Goodness, yes. What an idiot they have. I actually had 2 Bellarussian friends (as improbable as it may seem to some) and they're among the sweetest people you can meet. Hope their folks are OK there. You made me think of them.
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Re: Coronavirus

to be fair and with respect the tories through time and boris Johnson through time surely have not deserved our stand-off respect and deference to their messaging, no matter how worrying these days are. surely it is only tory supporters god bless em who are analysing politics for their own benfit who can repeat tory messaging credibly. imo Johnson and the tories should never be respectfully interpreted as being transparent, their primary constituents are really just wealthy and corporate interests. and towards everyone else, they are just badass mfs.

talking of which and im no expert so take this with a pinch of salt of course but that herd immunity strategy, jeeze, that sounds dangerous. no one knew anything about covid, what unseen damage it could cause to the body, its mutation rate, nothing. it doesn't surprise me that the tories were prepared to throw everyone under the bus just to keep things ticking along.

but imo the virus has revealed the fault lines of every country it passes through and it kind of opens a window into how the ruling classes see the rest of the people. everyone knows that the usa, behind the media fairytales, was and is a pretty explicit system of f-you privelage and that's what I think of the uk too.

Norway otoh, it sounds like utopia lol!

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talking of which and im no expert
Like the rest of us then.
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Like the rest of us then.
Do you have the credentials to back up your so called lack of expertise?
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That's the problem though, they didn't listen to the science as there wasn't any, they just panicked based on a single dodgy paper from Imperial College where the scientist that published it, Neil Ferguson, has a long history of getting things wrong.

The UK had prepared long for a flu epidemic which is why they were slow to adapt to Covid, but then they followed the lead of other nations in going into lockdown. Latest research suggests if they'd stuck to the original plan then herd immunity may have been achieved as only 10-20% of the population need to have been infected for it to become effective.

This is only another single paper, however it shows that the science is by no means agreed on.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/05...o-be-infected/


May. Key word. 10-20% is ridiculously low for any herd immunity for anything.

What does "slow to adapt to Covid" mean? Being prepped for a flu outbreak by creating vaccines with agreed strains is one thing. Covid 19 is another entirely.

The initial herd immunity strategy, when looked at properly with numbers of actual people dead rather than stats, predicted hundreds of thousands of deaths. The scientific modelling didn't change, folk were just made privy to the maths supporting it.
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May. Key word. 10-20% is ridiculously low for any herd immunity for anything.

What does "slow to adapt to Covid" mean? Being prepped for a flu outbreak by creating vaccines with agreed strains is one thing. Covid 19 is another entirely.

The initial herd immunity strategy, when looked at properly with numbers of actual people dead rather than stats, predicted hundreds of thousands of deaths. The scientific modelling didn't change, folk were just made privy to the maths supporting it.
Some of those researches take in account the current R0 which is achieved with the restrictions, the more restrictions are in place the lower the percentage needs to be for herd-immunity. Personally I can't care for those, I'm interested in numbers that reflect what would be needed when we pick-up life as usual and 10%/20% for such can't be serious.
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That's the problem though, they didn't listen to the science as there wasn't any, they just panicked based on a single dodgy paper from Imperial College where the scientist that published it, Neil Ferguson, has a long history of getting things wrong.

The UK had prepared long for a flu epidemic which is why they were slow to adapt to Covid, but then they followed the lead of other nations in going into lockdown. Latest research suggests if they'd stuck to the original plan then herd immunity may have been achieved as only 10-20% of the population need to have been infected for it to become effective.

This is only another single paper, however it shows that the science is by no means agreed on.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/05...o-be-infected/



Don't worry, France is exempt from UK quarantine measures in a reciprocal agreement (Not sure how they're to do this whilst arrivals from other Schengen/EU will have to quarantine). So all one has to do is drive to the UK and one is not obliged to quarantine. Go figure
I'm not too happy with being considered just one of the " herd "
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Anyone bored by staying at home or partying in groups of less than 5 people? Tell the police you're protesting against the rules and you're free to do all the stuff you regularly do at a Saturday afternoon: go to Bern city center, have a beer, play music, cosplay.....this is an interesting loophole.

Article is behind paywall, but photos and funny captions are free https://www.bernerzeitung.ch/erste-d...z-616288560968

The woman in a wheelchair is perfectly described be the Titanic meme above.



PS. learning German here: is Paradiesvögel really used to describe colorful individuals on the street?
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On other news, last Saturday the sun and the Lac de Neuchâtel were too tempting to resist. ~300 people were having a nice afternoon together by the lake and scared the police that tried to disperse them. Who knew empty beer bottles were kryptonite for the Police? https://www.arcinfo.ch/articles/regi...ents-container
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Anyone bored by staying at home or partying in groups of less than 5 people? Tell the police you're protesting against the rules and you're free to do all the stuff you regularly do at a Saturday afternoon: go to Bern city center, have a beer, play music, cosplay.....this is an interesting loophole.

Article is behind paywall, but photos and funny captions are free https://www.bernerzeitung.ch/erste-d...z-616288560968

The woman in a wheelchair is perfectly described be the Titanic meme above.



PS. learning German here: is Paradiesvögel really used to describe colorful individuals on the street?
Try that in Police State Victoria and the police will beat you up and fine you 1200CHF
And in other states they can jail you for 6 months and a 11,000 CHF fine. Welcome to the new DDR
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/conspira...lockdown-rally

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