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Are you saying this is a gay country

I think you are referring to an article in the Telegraph which did some very selective quoting from a Norwegian expert.

Even I can do selective quotes
Not just in the Telegraph, do a google search and you'll see (if you can handle the truth of course).
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Old 02.06.2020, 12:06
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The particular poster I was replying to has demonstrated an astonishing lack of statistical understanding and this was the point I was making.
I am curious as to why one needs "statistical understanding" to read the written conclusion of an ETH study? For that task, one only needs reading comprehension.

Someone who believes they can completely refute the results of a scientific study by glancing at their summary graph without any access to the raw data and the necessary statistical tools for proper analysis is the one showing "an astonishing lack of statistical understanding".

From the ETH study press release
"The “lockdown light” decreed by the Swiss Federal Council has led to each person infected with Sars-CoV-2 going on to infect only one person on average instead of two or three prior to the lockdown, as calculations by a team from ETH Zurich have shown."

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It really is a simple statement so you should have no trouble understanding it.
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Googled his name as I don't know him and the very first hit is this from 28 March. Doesn't exactly cover himself with glory with his predictions there...

Edit...read the article as far as where he completely misunderstands what R-0 actually is and decided the remainder is really not worth remotely looking at. In fact, I want the 10 seconds I needed up to that point back.
Appearantly they want to seize hype while they can... there was another Nobel dude who recently claimed that COVID is man-made.

https://m.lematin.ch/articles/24127448

They should put some sort of integrity oath when awarding/nominating those people to prevent them from doing this.
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Old 02.06.2020, 15:03
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Re: Coronavirus

On average 4% of Swiss residents has been infected by the virus. 16% in Ticino, 1.9 % in Bern.

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200602/onl...he-coronavirus

If I remember none of the regular commenters has tested positive. Only work colleagues, parents of friends, etc. Hope the fever is not that bad when my time comes
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Appearantly they want to seize hype while they can... there was another Nobel dude who recently claimed that COVID is man-made.

https://m.lematin.ch/articles/24127448

They should put some sort of integrity oath when awarding/nominating those people to prevent them from doing this.
Just for context, Luc Montagnier has also come out as anti-vaxxer and pro-homeopathy.
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Old 02.06.2020, 17:25
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Re: Coronavirus

For the Sweden fans, with 65 deaths reported yesterday various sources are sadly showing that Swedish deaths per million have now overtaken France and is now double the Swiss figure.
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Old 02.06.2020, 17:40
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For the Sweden fans, with 65 deaths reported yesterday various sources are sadly showing that Swedish deaths per million have now overtaken France and is now double the Swiss figure.
So their curve is also flattening, yet we were told only lockdowns could do that
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Old 02.06.2020, 17:55
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Re: Coronavirus

In the case of a second wave there will be no lock down in Norway

Norway is learning from Sweden

https://www.thelocal.no/20200601/int...econd-lockdown
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Old 02.06.2020, 19:36
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So their curve is also flattening, yet we were told only lockdowns could do that
Who told you that only lockdowns could do that?
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Old 02.06.2020, 19:39
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In the case of a second wave there will be no lock down in Norway

Norway is learning from Sweden

https://www.thelocal.no/20200601/int...econd-lockdown
According to your link, it is just a recommendation?
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Old 02.06.2020, 19:44
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In the case of a second wave there will be no lock down in Norway

Norway is learning from Sweden

https://www.thelocal.no/20200601/int...econd-lockdown
The opinion of one economist and not the government.

The Swedish policy has so far cost about 3,800 lives compared to Norway and Denmark. And counting.
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Just give this topic to the trolls, let them have it. Just a total waste of time.
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Hmmm.
He mentions herd immunity.
He mentions Sweden as an example of a good response.
His credibility is .........................
And so...since you mentioned Sweden. Let's talk about the deaths in Sweden and why they occurred. To quote one source:

"In Sweden, 88 percent of COVID-19 deaths are aged 70 or over, and upwards of 85 percent had at least one comorbidity. Stockholm offers ample at-home services for those who can still manage on their own. Only those who can no longer get by that way and who are in need are admitted to the nursing homes, which have full-time medical staff. As a result, in Stockholm the nursing homes in particular collect the most vulnerable, with an average age around 85 years.

This collection of the most vulnerable is then met with the second side of the challenge: Nosocomial infection, which is passed along by caregivers or by others in care. The challenge is extreme because close health, hygiene, and bedside contact with caregivers and companionship with others in care are what the care is all about".

I strongly suspect that the numbers of deaths in NYC and in the US as a whole are primarily linked to elderly care facilities and the Governors' failure in various states, to protect the most vulnerable.

So let's reclassify "nursing home deaths" (which Cuomo has done) as those which ONLY occur in nursing homes - and not those who contracted the virus in nursing homes but died in ambulances nor those who died in hospitals. Hmmm!

Here is the article on Sweden for those interested:

https://www.aier.org/article/give-sw...ronavirus-101/
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In the case of a second wave there will be no lock down in Norway

Norway is learning from Sweden

https://www.thelocal.no/20200601/int...econd-lockdown
Of course they have, the cat is out of the bag now that lockdowns have achieved very little other than economic harm! I confidently predict that we have seen the last of mass lockdowns across the whole of Europe, the economic cost is just too high. Local containment lockdowns could be a thing if the virus comes back in the autumn however nothing like what we've seen these past 12 weeks.

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Shall we add JP Morgan to your list of "Trolls"?

https://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/lock...n-9274848.html
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I think what should be interesting to see is what happens to commercial real estate and office space. My husband's company, a private Bank, is planning to reduce office space and require "non-essential" staff to work from home even after the pandemic is "resolved". I have heard similar stories from family and friends worldwide that their employers/corporations are beginning to rethink the necessity of corporate office space. So long "We Work" - but I thought that business model was dead in the water before this pandemic.

This Covid has certainly been a game changer - politically, economically - not to mention hygienically
Could the post Covid world see the demise of commercial real estate and the end of City Centre offices ?
Major hi-tech companies say they are open to their staff working from home permanently already.

BBC News - Remote working: How cities might change if we worked from home more
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Shall we add JP Morgan to your list of "Trolls"?
You can add whomever you please, heck for my sake you even put me on that list.
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Could the post Covid world see the demise of commercial real estate and the end of City Centre offices ?
Major hi-tech companies say they are open to their staff working from home permanently already.

BBC News - Remote working: How cities might change if we worked from home more
I think this pandemic will definitely affect commercial real estate. We know a few "Captains of Industry" for lack of better terms who much prefer working from home. The constant travel etc.. is tough and they have said they are more productive working from home as they are sick of traveling...

That said, let's address the younger workforce... Those who count on the office environment for social interaction. This lockdown is difficult for them too!

I think going forward, corporations will reduce office space and more "non essential" employees will work from home. This will be tough for the younger workforce in my view.
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That said, let's address the younger workforce... Those who count on the office environment for social interaction. This lockdown is difficult for them too!
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And in Switzerland there are so much more people in this situation than one would think...
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Interesting in that what works for the CEOs may not work for the majority of their workforce. And yet, their say drives the policy.

Tough times ahead I foresee. A wide chasm between the workers and corporate owners.

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I think this pandemic will definitely affect commercial real estate. We know a few "Captains of Industry" for lack of better terms who much prefer working from home. The constant travel etc.. is tough and they have said they are more productive working from home as they are sick of traveling...

That said, let's address the younger workforce... Those who count on the office environment for social interaction. This lockdown is difficult for them too!

I think going forward, corporations will reduce office space and more "non essential" employees will work from home. This will be tough for the younger workforce in my view.
Of course it's tough on the younger workforce who will no doubt miss the social interaction to be found
working from the office - although that said, the number of hours lost, through the biggest unproductive
part of the working week ( travelling or commuting to and from work ) can now be spent down the gym
( which most young people regard as a social club anyway ) getting in more healthy physical exercise
plus there's always the Internet Cafe or Coffee Bar to hold your meetings, nearer home instead.

In fact the Digital Nomads ( brought up on home working ) swear that Internet Cafe's and Coffee bars
are the new social interaction place to hang out and get connected.

Finally there's the green dividend from people working from home, as the car would lose one of it's
everyday functions in getting commuters to or from work or to and from the Commuter train
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