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It is not only Black people that are protesting and rioting. People from all races and backgrounds is a part of it.

Science tells us that there are two main routes of transmission of the COVID-19.
Through contact or droplets. Droplets are generated when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
During a protest people are close together in large groups and the risk is way higher for contact and droplets spreading.
By allowing these BLM protests, they raise the risk of COVID-19 growth within the cities where the protests take place.
Do you deny this?

If you would have followed videos and investigative journalists during these BLM protests and riots, this would have been quite clear for you.
The CHAZ - Chapel Hill Autonomous Zone, is the best example which showcases ANTIFAs partiticipation in these protests.
I recommend you to have a look for yourself. Check out the investigative journalist and write "Andy Ngo". He has done some good showcasing of what's going on in the CHAZ.
Do you mean Capitol Hill autonomous zone in Seattle?

We used to live in Chapel Hill and I looked for info on a Chaz there, but found nothing....
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Old 30.06.2020, 15:08
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I flew from Zurich to New York/EWR on Sunday evening via Swiss Air. The line in economy to check in was very long - at least an hour wait if I had to guess. Luckily, I was checking in with my dog (in a large crate) and someone from the first class desk offered to assist and check us in (they used to have a group/family check in next to first and business class where one could check in with animals but they did away with this recently because of the virus).

Security went very quickly and the airport was fairly empty. Most of the shops and restaurants are closed but a few kiosks selling coffee, water and sandwiches are open. Our plane was only 1/3 full and interestingly, business class was more full than economy.
it wont let me check in online so worried about queues
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Old 30.06.2020, 16:26
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#FakeNews, do you have any facts?

I did google "Andy Ngo" and found lots of references to him as a right-wing troll.
This is off-topic so this is the last response you'll get regarding this subject.
I highly doubt that you did Google him, because if you did you would see that Andy Ngo is a conservative independent journalist. Not a right-wing troll.
He testified about the violence coming from ANTIFA at a Congressional hearing yesterday.

Here's a few clips showing off how the ANTIFA instigate violence and destruction when the peaceful part of the BLM just wants to protest:

pic.twitter.com/khHrL0gfBj
pic.twitter.com/dDar43Lvl7
pic.twitter.com/Z9Q6SoQBaK
pic.twitter.com/PTk1tPotjL
pic.twitter.com/o8IVgP9G8I
pic.twitter.com/KE5KdaOKWH
pic.twitter.com/JML6wbrWxa
https://twitter.com/LibertarianBlue/...49881492258816
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/sta...63040233000969
https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/...81829592399872

Back to the topic now.
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Do you mean Capitol Hill autonomous zone in Seattle?

We used to live in Chapel Hill and I looked for info on a Chaz there, but found nothing....
Yeah, you're right, my bad....Capitol Hill
Don't you worry about Chapel hill, it's good for now.
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Old 30.06.2020, 16:37
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One of my sons used public transport on Friday evening and wore a mask. Someone on the tram purposely barged him. In a separate incident on the same evening, one of his friends who he was meeting and who was also wearing a mask was deliberately coughed at. My son said he has heard that there is a sort of resistance group forming of people who are against the social distancing methods. I was interested to know if anyone has had a similar experience or has heard anything about this. My apologies in advance if it's been previously brought up on this thread.
I wonder whether in the UK a more serious sort of anti-social behaviour ( than the one described above ) is
covered in the new Coronavirus laws or as an amendment to the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003.

UK Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003

I assume other countries have their own Anti-Social Behaviour laws where it's citizens can be charged and
receive an ASBO order ?
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Old 30.06.2020, 17:54
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This is off-topic so this is the last response you'll get regarding this subject.
I highly doubt that you did Google him, because if you did you would see that Andy Ngo is a conservative independent journalist. Not a right-wing troll.
He testified about the violence coming from ANTIFA at a Congressional hearing yesterday.

Here's a few clips showing off how the ANTIFA instigate violence and destruction when the peaceful part of the BLM just wants to protest:

pic.twitter.com/khHrL0gfBj
pic.twitter.com/dDar43Lvl7
pic.twitter.com/Z9Q6SoQBaK
pic.twitter.com/PTk1tPotjL
pic.twitter.com/o8IVgP9G8I
pic.twitter.com/KE5KdaOKWH
pic.twitter.com/JML6wbrWxa
https://twitter.com/LibertarianBlue/...49881492258816
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/sta...63040233000969
https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/...81829592399872

Back to the topic now.
No problem, you started this ANTIFA nonsense not me.

If you google Andy Ngo you find

How a Right-Wing Troll Demonized Antifa to the Mainstream ..

Portland's Andy Ngo Is the Most Dangerous Grifter in America

Right-wing "journalist" Andy Ngo outed: Video shows him ...

Right-wing media commentator Andy Ngo is perhaps the loudest voice spreading the false connection between antifa and terrorism.
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Old 30.06.2020, 19:19
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Parcel delivery today. Post-lady asks: "Do you want to sign yourself or should I do it for you". Well, times going back to normal.

I let her sign it as "Einschreiben" has lost it's purpose over the past months.
Not that my signature on this electronic boxes ever looked anything like mine anyway.
They are doing that since the beginning of lockdown. We had a delivery from Farmy and I wanted to take the bags from the delivery guy's hands but was put in my place with a "Please stay where you are, I'll leave the bags at your door"...

They're quite well trained. I guess Farmy can't afford losing their deliveries staff. Or the Post.
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Old 30.06.2020, 20:46
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Dr. Anthony Fauci and other health experts testified before a Senate committee today on President Trump's coronavirus response.

The nation's top infectious disease expert testified that the country is seeing more than 40,000 new cases a day and that he would "not be surprised" if the case count goes up to 100,000 a day if the current trend in cases "does not turn around.".
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Nightmare!

Even Trump starting to take the virus seriously.
President Donald Trump's campaign has scrapped plans to hold a rally in Alabama next weekend amid concerns about coronavirus infections rising in the US.
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Old 30.06.2020, 20:49
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President Donald Trump's campaign has scrapped plans to hold a rally in Alabama next weekend amid concerns about coronavirus infections rising in the US.
Wrong. He cancelled it not because of concern for the health of people, but because he was scared no one would show up.
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Old 01.07.2020, 13:10
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The "good" news for the States is that while overall cases are increasing, the number of deaths per day is still decreasing. Taking 3 days from the past 3 months from Worldometers:

April 20 - 2,693 deaths
May 20 - 1,400 deaths
June 20 - 700 deaths

Compare that to active cases:
April 20 - 683,742
May 20 - 1,126,920
June 20 - 1,235,657

What we need to watch for now in terms of a second wave is a sharp increase in hospitalizations and deaths, not so much in new cases. I'm not saying new cases are no big deal, but they're not as strong of indicators now as the other two numbers.
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Arizona has reported more coronavirus deaths per million residents in the last week, at 4.77, than any nation on Earth except Chile and Peru.

Officials in Alabama, Arizona, California, Mississippi and Texas are reporting a surging number of COVID-19 hospitalizations, leading to fears that health systems could soon be overrun.
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Old 01.07.2020, 13:28
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Re: Coronavirus

137 new cases in Switzerland registered yesterday. Wave 2 well and truly under way.

Looks likely to be compulsory masks on public transport from tomorrow - even Berset has finally woken up and is expected to propose it.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/bundesr...v-531555375910 (need registration)
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Old 01.07.2020, 13:30
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What we need to watch for now in terms of a second wave is a sharp increase in hospitalizations and deaths, not so much in new cases. I'm not saying new cases are no big deal, but they're not as strong of indicators now as the other two numbers
This.

Controlled herd immunity has and will continue to be the ONLY option. The purpose was NEVER to eradicate the virus as that won't happen either way, and the general public seriously doesn't seem to understand that. The whole point of apps and whatnot is precisely this - controlled immunity via identifying sporadic clusters and reacting to them in whatever way may be felt is appropriate. Whatever form of lockdown there was, it was merely to mitigate potential pressures on healthcare systems, however they have delayed the inevitable, and that's to create immunity - again with an emphasis on controlled, which is precisely what is now happening in roughly all of Europe.

Given even the WHO has reduced it's dramatic initial prediction of mortality to around 0.5% - and it's highly likely to be reduced further as some estimates are already down to 0.25% - it's become seriously ethically irresponsible, particularly in Europe, to keep counting absolute cases and dramatically publishing them out via media every day, devoid of any relevant context. It's utterly beyond me how anyone benefits from that anyway.

The only measure of relevance is some form of hybrid between number of tests in connection with keeping an eye on a possible increase in severe cases and potential anticipated strains on health systems. Nothing else has any significance.
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137 new cases in Switzerland registered yesterday. Wave 2 well and truly under way.

Looks likely to be compulsory masks on public transport from tomorrow - even Berset has finally woken up and is expected to propose it.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/bundesr...v-531555375910 (need registration)
Could be a ripple more than a wave, give it a week and we'll see.
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COVID-19 infections doubled overnight - second wave already here?

COVID-19 infection numbers have doubled overnight to 137:

https://www.20min.ch/story/coronavir...z-269082903107

Still, no mask requirement on public transport. Nightclubs are open despite several super spreader events and the police allow illegal raves of over a thousand (perhaps several thousands) without any measures taken.

https://www.20min.ch/story/wir-sind-...n-802979823540

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COVID-19 infection numbers have doubled overnight to 137:

https://www.20min.ch/story/coronavir...z-269082903107

Still, no mask requirement on public transport. Nightclubs are open despite several super spreader events and the police allow illegal raves of over a thousand (perhaps several thousands) without any measures taken.

https://www.20min.ch/story/wir-sind-...n-802979823540

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Double of very little is still very little. There's a reason trends need time to devlopment. I mean yesterday my beer consumption was 1000% higher than the previous day, and today has no relevant data.
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Old 01.07.2020, 14:30
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Still, no mask requirement on public transport. Nightclubs are open despite several super spreader events and the police allow illegal raves of over a thousand (perhaps several thousands) without any measures taken.

https://www.20min.ch/story/wir-sind-...n-802979823540

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At least raves are open air. Nightclubs where you literally rub with others all the time, could be much worse.
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This.

Controlled herd immunity has and will continue to be the ONLY option. The purpose was NEVER to eradicate the virus as that won't happen either way, and the general public seriously doesn't seem to understand that. The whole point of apps and whatnot is precisely this - controlled immunity via identifying sporadic clusters and reacting to them in whatever way may be felt is appropriate. Whatever form of lockdown there was, it was merely to mitigate potential pressures on healthcare systems, however they have delayed the inevitable, and that's to create immunity - again with an emphasis on controlled, which is precisely what is now happening in roughly all of Europe.

Given even the WHO has reduced it's dramatic initial prediction of mortality to around 0.5% - and it's highly likely to be reduced further as some estimates are already down to 0.25% - it's become seriously ethically irresponsible, particularly in Europe, to keep counting absolute cases and dramatically publishing them out via media every day, devoid of any relevant context. It's utterly beyond me how anyone benefits from that anyway.

The only measure of relevance is some form of hybrid between number of tests in connection with keeping an eye on a possible increase in severe cases and potential anticipated strains on health systems. Nothing else has any significance.
I agree with most of what you say. However, given how easily this spreads and still meaningful mortality rates (particularly for certain age groups and given that there is no treatment), I think we are years away from any herd immunity and will have to control this tightly as you say.
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At least raves are open air.
Yeah, so was that Atalanta-Valencia game ...
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I agree with most of what you say. However, given how easily this spreads and still meaningful mortality rates (particularly for certain age groups and given that there is no treatment), I think we are years away from any herd immunity and will have to control this tightly as you say.
Well this is the crux here. The more you lock people in and the more you shield the healthy (with masks or otherwise), the longer it will take to create some immunity. In a slightly twisted way higher numbers would be preferred presuming they're minor cases - which in 99%+ is actually true anyway. Some people seem to believe we have zero immunity and are all inevitable victims to this thing, but most uf us DO have a working immune system, which in itself is doing a lot already and well capable of fighting this, like it can fight many other viruses. It's pretty clever that way.

Also btw, WHO says asymptomatic spread is extremely unlikely.

So I guess the only option is to observe, react where needed, observe some more (and stop morally questionable push messages and the like - even BAG - I'd be in favor of weekly reporting and that's all)
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Still, no mask requirement on public transport.
They announced minutes ago in the press conference that as of Monday mouth masks are mandatory in public transport.
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