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Can you please post this? It's weird, as the total number of deaths in CH is 1700
I saw it in 24heures and tdg, same 1st paragraph but the rest is behind subscription walls: check it out https://www.tdg.ch/un-confinement-pl...e-171847914827
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Re: Coronavirus

There is also a very recent article from Swedish health experts warning the world not to do what they did:

https://www.newser.com/story/293917/...at-we-did.html

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"But every day for the past two weeks, Swedish company after Swedish company has beaten expectations. From telecoms equipment maker Ericsson to consumer appliances manufacturer Electrolux via lender Handelsbanken and lockmaker Assa Abloy, Swedish companies have delivered profits well above what the market was expecting..."
Swedish a much different country than most of West Europe...even though their method has proven to be a failure, it would have been an even more major failure in other countries. Plus, a few corporations doing well during this time isn't an accurate reflection of the entire economy.

And herd immunity...why can't some people who work in the healthcare sector still can't get the basics of how that works down??
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Old 27.07.2020, 16:02
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Can you please post this? It's weird, as the total number of deaths in CH is 1700
It's from the same article posted on the previous page that I already commented above. The one about the late lockdown, which could have cost additional 6000 lives.

The total number of deaths is almost 2000 (1978 as of today). Nobody cares about the numbers posted by BAG except BAG itself.
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Old 27.07.2020, 17:19
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"But every day for the past two weeks, Swedish company after Swedish company has beaten expectations.
Expectations can be and are getting managed by management. Using them to gauge the effect of Covid-19 is deeply misleading.

The big Swedish companies generate a significant share of revenues and profits abroad, in many cases it's the large majority. Ericsson for instance earns 70% outside of Europe, obviously Sweden generates only a fraction of the remaining 30%.

And of course big companies are anything but representative of the economy.

As for the GDP (komsomolez' post), the virus' effect will also depend on the countermeasures taken, including the money printed and how it's used.
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Old 27.07.2020, 17:20
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Keyword in your statement is "forecast". As clearly explained in the FT article, almost all Swedish companies beat the "forecasts" so maybe, just maybe, no lockdown was actually quite good for the economy and as shown by the trend of daily deaths: quite good for the health overall too. So, the Swedes seem to have struck the right balance.

Let me try again: TREND IS...?
So they were inaccurate forecasts? So what?

According the chart published here, every European country, apart from Finland, will have a higher GDP than Sweden next year.
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Old 27.07.2020, 17:32
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National security adviser Robert O’Brien has tested positive for COVID-19, a White House official confirmed on Monday.

The positive test makes O’Brien the highest-ranking White House official to date to test positive for the virus, which has killed more than 145,000 people in the U.S.

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Hopefully daily new cases are levelling off but at a very high level, deaths not yet.
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"The strategy was to flatten the curve, not overwhelm health care capacity. That seems to have worked. If you take care homes out of the equation, things actually look much brighter"
How could things not look brighter if you ignore half the deaths?????

As for "less than 10 for much of July". Of course it is, given that they appear to report no data at all for the weekends.
(data taken from Jonas Nart on Tableau)


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Given that Sweden now has a not dissimilar set of measures to Switzerland (less on facemasks but stricter on large gatherings - the latter seems to be the current main infection route here), don't you find it interesting that Sweden STILL has significantly more infections and more deaths than Switzerland?
They are in the very different stages of the epidemic and the R0 value behaved very differently in both countries. We are in the second wave of the epidemic, which started from very low numbers and R0 is only slightly more than 1, so the numbers are slowly increasing. Sweden is in the declining phase of the first wave and their R0 is only slightly below 1 so the numbers are slowly decreasing. Even with similar measures and similar population, if one country had, say, 100 infected people a month ago and another country had 10000 of infected people, the situation will look different in a month time.
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Re: Coronavirus

Sweden expelled from high risk countries list:
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...tml#1918240392

quietly..
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Old 28.07.2020, 15:33
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Sweden expelled from high risk countries list:
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...tml#1918240392

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But but... Their strategy failed no?
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Sweden expelled from high risk countries list:
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...tml#1918240392

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Why quietly? There was a press conference from BAG a week ago dedicated to the update of the list.
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Old 28.07.2020, 15:45
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But but... Their strategy failed no?
This is the point lost on most people, one can argue over numbers, but this is arguing semantics. The fact of the matter is that Sweden flattened their curve without going into a hard lockdown when many governments said that the ONLY way to flatten the curve was via lockdown.
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Why quietly? There was a press conference from BAG a week ago dedicated to the update of the list.
there was a lot of buzz adding Sweden to the list. Comparing to the buzz, this expelling is quiet
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But but... Their strategy failed no?
it looks like more and more agreed that its not
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This is the point lost on most people, one can argue over numbers, but this is arguing semantics. The fact of the matter is that Sweden flattened their curve without going into a hard lockdown when many governments said that the ONLY way to flatten the curve was via lockdown.
South Korea, Japan and Taiwan had no lockdown and are among the most successful countries in the pandemic.
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Old 28.07.2020, 16:10
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But but... Their strategy failed no?
A strategic failure that led to positive outcomes
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it looks like more and more agreed that its not
It's funny how Switzerland has mandatory quarantine for countries that had hard/soft lockdowns, mandatory masks etc yet Swedes no lockdown, masks are still not recommended by the authorities yet they can come to Switzerland without any check or isolation.

So swedish strategy was much better?
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So swedish strategy was much better?
I can say that Swedish strategy was: "let do the things without hysteria"
And swedes usually strict to the government recommendations, so from this PoV it was almost same lockdown but w/o closing schools
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Old 28.07.2020, 18:27
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Mr Koch doesn't like the current cade numbers and thinks we are not testing enough. Tests really seem low lately and positivity is up.

https://www.blick.ch/politik/daniel-...d16014732.html
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Old 28.07.2020, 19:20
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South Korea, Japan and Taiwan had no lockdown and are among the most successful countries in the pandemic.
You think?

Just checked Korea and they had many elements of the Swiss lockdown, albeit often on a local level to deal with the localised outbreaks that characterised the disease there.

However the main element there (and at least also in Taiwan) was a test and trace regime that would have most here screaming about government interference. Your phone gets taken from you and your every move over the previous days ruthlessly followed up. Quarantine is strict and enforced.

Plus the populace - driven by their memories of the SARS1 outbreak - did much of the necessary without having to be told. A resident of Daegu (location of the first larger outbreak there) described the city as being "like someone dropped a bomb in the middle of the city. It looks like a zombie apocalypse."
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