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Yes! Reacting badly is one thing, and understandable, continuing to react badly in the face of evidence is inexcusable.
I agree. But how would it personally influence your situation so much to try to change it...People think you are trying to change their pov and they react almost allergically without realizing that their pov makes no diffefence to you, in a large scheme. You do see that all the modelling was making people employed but it boils down to simple accounting now, there will hardly be another lockdown. So why stress?
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Just read about this poll on The Local. Around 10% of poll respondents answered Yes to "have you been abused for wearing or not wearing a mask?". https://www.thelocal.ch/20200807/swi...tpcc=ch-latest

I've never been abused on my 7 years in CH. Could it be just cultural differences? People talk in a straightforward way around here that some people around the world may take it as abuse or did covid19 changed something?
Journalism. Affective language, exaggeration?

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Just read about this poll on The Local. Around 10% of poll respondents answered Yes to "have you been abused for wearing or not wearing a mask?". https://www.thelocal.ch/20200807/swi...tpcc=ch-latest

I've never been abused on my 7 years in CH. Could it be just cultural differences? People talk in a straightforward way around here that some people around the world may take it as abuse or did covid19 changed something?
I was thinking the author of the poll might not have the best command of English, or perhaps used an older, pedantic language style and meant criticized or bothered.
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Old 07.08.2020, 21:00
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I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave, importantly no lockdown. Sweden's economy has suffered as is to be expected in the globalised world, but far less than in countries where a strict lockdown was imposed.

Numbers are rising again in Spain, France and Greece. Not in Sweden though, they flattened the curve without going into a hard lockdown. They took a long term approach that now appears to be paying off.
They did herd immunity...no need for vaccination though...
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I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave, importantly no lockdown. Sweden's economy has suffered as is to be expected in the globalised world, but far less than in countries where a strict lockdown was imposed.

Numbers are rising again in Spain, France and Greece. Not in Sweden though, they flattened the curve without going into a hard lockdown. They took a long term approach that now appears to be paying off.
I don't think we can make any conclusions until its all over. Sweden isn't immune from a second wave. Alternatively, other places that had a strict lockdown may get lockdown fatigue and have an uncontrolled second wave.

All to play for...

(My hope is that we get an annoucement that a vaccine is safe and effective in Nov or so, and just to hold on tight for a few more months - if that happens I think behaviour could hold up)
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Wrong!
The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims.

Citizens were ordered to wear masks, schools, theaters and businesses were shuttered and bodies piled up in makeshift morgues before the virus ended its deadly global march.

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Records show that US cities who enforced strict lockdowns had much lower death rates.
If it infected 1/3 of the worlds population, lockdown mustn't have worked very well.
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I think it's time we took another look at Sweden. Now down at low single figure deaths per day. No masks, no second wave, importantly no lockdown. Sweden's economy has suffered as is to be expected in the globalised world, but far less than in countries where a strict lockdown was imposed.

Numbers are rising again in Spain, France and Greece. Not in Sweden though, they flattened the curve without going into a hard lockdown. They took a long term approach that now appears to be paying off.
Great except this is false. Swedish economy took as bad hit as other Nordic countries and its economy, according to credit card data is recovering slower than in Norway and Denmark.This after 5000 additional Swedes are in grave so well done indeed, not.

Edit: Yesterdays new cases
Sweden 378
Norway 58
Finland 20
Denmark 121

So clearly a good strategy on this front as well, not.

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Old 07.08.2020, 21:21
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They did herd immunity...no need for vaccination though...
They are still very far from herd immunity, it’s not over yet.
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Just read about this poll on The Local. Around 10% of poll respondents answered Yes to "have you been abused for wearing or not wearing a mask?". https://www.thelocal.ch/20200807/swi...tpcc=ch-latest

I've never been abused on my 7 years in CH. Could it be just cultural differences? People talk in a straightforward way around here that some people around the world may take it as abuse or did covid19 changed something?
Pure clickbait.

The quote below implies that their version of "abuse" included almost any reaction, including helping, and getting stared that was mentioned by others. They have 140 respondants only - even with ten times as many they're definitely not representative for the population due to the language selector, and probably being on public transport.

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Ask 560 people, form 4 groups with 140 each, and pick the group with the juiciest answers for your article.
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They are still very far from herd immunity, it’s not over yet.
10 million decided to not lockdown and get herd immunity...they thinking different, no matter you think...get over it...below is a copy past from the same sources you looking:
There were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017/18 - the highest recorded since winter 1975/76...
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Are you seriously saying that people are mistaking reFLUx for coronavirus?

Unbelievable!
It clearly is, hence the comparisons with the flu.
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There were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017/18 - the highest recorded since winter 1975/76...
Open the link and just scroll down and see all articles edited in 2018: https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...sclient=psy-ab
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Is there a recent antibodies study in Sweden? I mean, more recent than April.
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Great except this is false. Swedish economy took as bad hit as other Nordic countries and its economy, according to credit card data is recovering slower than in Norway and Denmark.This after 5000 additional Swedes are in grave so well done indeed, not.

Edit: Yesterdays new cases
Sweden 378
Norway 58
Finland 20
Denmark 121

So clearly a good strategy on this front as well, not.
Making the mistake of measuring new cases when there is no comparison to be made due to the difference in the number of tests being carried out. Number of deaths is a far more fairer comparison of which Sweden has had about 1 a day or less for the past week.

I make my economic assessment based on released data not "credit card data" which at the moment shows Sweden took a significantly smaller economic hit than the EU average. The likes of Denmark and Norway are yet to release their data.

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Most of my links are from reputable scientific/medical sources.

My two sources were science and a peer reviewed journal.

If that’s scaremongering, the please pray for yourself.

I will agree that people are very bad at estimating risk.
Oh dear, chasing likes now by answering comments not even addressed to you unfortunately this approach appears all too often on this forum.

So not only does hard lockdown destroy the economy, cause misery, impinge on freedoms and rights, according to this report it also killed two for every three people that died of Covid in the UK

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Estimates show 16,000 people died through missed medical care by May 1, while virus killed 25,000 in same period

The UK lockdown killed two people for every three whose deaths had been caused by coronavirus by the beginning of May, new Government figures suggest.

The estimates show that 16,000 people had died through missed medical care by May 1, while coronavirus killed 25,000 in the same period.

The figures include 6,000 people who did not attend A&E at the height of lockdown because of fears they might catch the virus and the feeling they should remain at home because of the "Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives" message.

Likewise, 10,000 people are thought to have died in care homes due to early discharge from hospital and not being able to access critical care.

The report also found that 2,500 lives may have been saved during lockdown because of healthier lifestyles, fewer infectious diseases in children, falls in air pollution and a decrease in road deaths.

The new figures – presented to the Government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) in the middle of July – were calculated by the Department of Health, the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the Government Actuary's Department and the Home Office.

The paper also estimates that a further 26,000 people could die by next month because of the healthcare restrictions.

In total, researchers predict that 81,500 people could lose their lives in the next 50 years through waiting longer for non-urgent elective care and the impact of the recession caused by the virus crisis.

In the next five years, 1,400 people are also expected to die because they were diagnosed with cancer too late.

Although the medium to long-term deaths from delayed healthcare have not been quantified, an earlier report by the same team suggested they could be as high as 185,000.

The report is the latest to show that the impact of lockdown has been severe, and puts more pressure on the Government to avoid further nationwide restrictions this winter (see video below).

Charities and medical organisations have consistently warned of the long term dangers of focusing so much of the NHS on coronavirus.

Professor Neil Mortensen, the president of the Royal College of Surgeons of England, warned that the health service "must never again be a coronavirus-only service".

"We have to deal first with the most clinically urgent patients, and then as soon as possible with those who have been waiting the longest," he said. "The period through August and September is vitally important in making progress before routine winter pressures emerge.”

New reproduction estimates for the pandemic, published by the Government on Friday, suggest the 'R' number is slightly higher across Britain than last week – now at between 0.8 and 1.0, up from 0.8 to 0.9 last week. The rate for England has remained unchanged at between 0.8 and 1.0.

The figures also estimated a growth rate of between 0 per cent to -5 per cent, meaning the number of new infections is somewhere between remaining stable and shrinking by five per cent every day.

The data is based on testing data, hospital admissions, intensive care admissions and deaths and is around two to three weeks behind the current situation, suggesting this was the picture in mid-July.

Sage said it was not confident that the 'R' number was currently below one but warned that the indicator is less useful in determining the state of the epidemic when disease incidence is low or where there is significant variability in the population – for example during local outbreaks.

Professor Keith Neal, emeritus professor of the epidemiology of infectious diseases at the University of Nottingham, said: "Making estimates of 'R' with small number of cases becomes increasingly difficult and inaccurate, hence the wide range of the estimates.

"For many parts of the country, infection rates continue to fall, but caution and avoidance of high-risk mixing needs to continue."

The latest surveillance figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) Infection Pilot Survey also suggest cases of coronavirus are now levelling off or falling.

Last week, ONS swab testing suggested that 1 in 1,500 people were infected – a slight rise from the previous week, and one of the reasons that Boris Johnson called a halt to the lifting of more restrictions (see video below).

However, Friday’s results suggest cases have fallen to one in 1,900 for the week of July 27 to August 2, with an estimated 28,300 infected – down from 35,700 the previous week.

Katherine Kent, the co-head of the survey, said: "Although we are still reporting an increase in England since the lowest recorded level of infection in late June, this week's estimates suggest this trend may be levelling off when compared with the data we published last week."

Surveillance data from Public Health England also said the virus appeared to be stable. Case detections in England were stable at 4,605 this week compared to 4,625 the previous week.

On Friday, the Government said 46,511 people had died in hospitals, care homes and the wider community after testing positive for coronavirus in the UK. Separate figures, published by the ONS, show there have now been 56,600 deaths registered in the UK where coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-coronavirus/

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Oh dear! Reading comprehension is clearly not your forte.

Sweden decided to refrain from imposing a strict lockdown and follow the herd immunity approach, nobody is disputing that. Based on my reading they have not yet achieved herd immunity and still have a way to go.

Contrary to what you might think I do not use the UK winter flu statistics as my source of information about the coronavirus situation in Sweden.

Why would I want to be looking at articles edited in 2018? And how is the flu situation in the UK in 2017 in any way related to the coronavirus situation in 2020?
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Making the mistake of measuring new cases when there is no comparison to be made due to the difference in the number of tests being carried out. Number of deaths is a far more fairer comparison of which Sweden has had about 1 a day or less for the past week.

I make my economic assessment based on released data not "credit card data" which at the moment shows Sweden took a significantly smaller economic hit than the EU average. The likes of Denmark and Norway are yet to release their data.
Ah, I see, reason why Sweden has more cases and deaths is simply because they test more but no, wait:
Sweden; Tests; 863,315, Tests per million 85,428, Deaths 5763, Deaths per million 570.
Denmark: Tests: 1,680,226 Tests per million 289,977, Deaths 617, Deaths per million 106.

New deaths yesterday:
Sweden: 5
Finland 0
Norway 0
Denmark 0


And naturally one would compare Swedish economy hit to EU average including Spain and Greece and Romania instead of to other Nordic countries. That makes sense

Sorry, dont want to be mean but there is just no way anyone could claim at this point with any logic Swedish strategy was better/smarted even if you ignore those 5000 lives that could have been saved (personally dont think those should be ignored thou).
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Ah, I see, reason why Sweden has more cases and deaths is simply because they test more but no, wait:
Sweden; Tests; 863,315, Tests per million 85,428, Deaths 5763, Deaths per million 570.
Denmark: Tests: 1,680,226 Tests per million 289,977, Deaths 617, Deaths per million 106.

New deaths yesterday:
Sweden: 5
Finland 0
Norway 0
Denmark 0


And naturally one would compare Swedish economy hit to EU average including Spain and Greece and Romania instead of to other Nordic countries. That makes sense

Sorry, dont want to be mean but there is just no way anyone could claim at this point with any logic Swedish strategy was better/smarted even if you ignore those 5000 lives that could have been saved (personally dont think those should be ignored thou).
Rather 5000 lives that could have been prolonged by a few months. Sweden's death rate is high because, as they freely admit, they mishandled care homes, just as many other countries have done. Take care homes out of the equation and Sweden's death rate isn't that bad.

Sweden flattened the curve with no lockdown, Sweden has had less of an economic impact thanks to no lockdown, Sweden has not imposed masks on the population, Sweden's population has not seen their basic rights restricted, Sweden's hospitals were never overrun. It is now almost without doubt that Sweden's strategy was better than the rest of Europe.
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Rather 5000 lives that could have been prolonged by a few months. Sweden's death rate is high because, as they freely admit, they mishandled care homes, just as many other countries have done. Take care homes out of the equation and Sweden's death rate isn't that bad.

Sweden flattened the curve with no lockdown, Sweden has had less of an economic impact thanks to no lockdown, Sweden has not imposed masks on the population, Sweden's population has not seen their basic rights restricted, Sweden's hospitals were never overrun. It is now almost without doubt that Sweden's strategy was better than the rest of Europe.
Only time will tell. And it is not only people who died, what about the people who have long lasting health problems from the virus?
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Rather 5000 lives that could have been prolonged by a few months. .
How do you know that? A few months? Seriously, how could you possibly know all these predictions for each individual case. The cynicism in this statement is astonishing.

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Only time will tell. And it is not only people who died, what about the people who have long lasting health problems from the virus?
If they really want to reach herd immunity which is usually achieved only after 60%-70% of the population has been infected, there will be many more victims along the way.

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Rather 5000 lives that could have been prolonged by a few months. Sweden's death rate is high because, as they freely admit, they mishandled care homes, just as many other countries have done. Take care homes out of the equation and Sweden's death rate isn't that bad.

Sweden flattened the curve with no lockdown, Sweden has had less of an economic impact thanks to no lockdown, Sweden has not imposed masks on the population, Sweden's population has not seen their basic rights restricted, Sweden's hospitals were never overrun. It is now almost without doubt that Sweden's strategy was better than the rest of Europe.
Just because you repeat your lies, it does not make them anymore true. Swedish economy, compared to most comparable countries (meaning other Nordic countries) took as bad hit as others and while difference is that Sweden has 10x more people dead and continues to have higher death and new cases per day rate than them even today.
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