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Old 09.08.2020, 22:36
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Re: How do you prepare for 'THE SECOND WAVE' ?

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We really need another Corona-related thread for this?

If you are concerned then just buy a few big packs of toilet roll now... it's not rocket science. Same with yeast, masks, disinfectant and similar stuff.
I did start as a new thread, but probably 'Gods' are not smiling to me...
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Old 09.08.2020, 22:50
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Old 10.08.2020, 08:09
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Of course your equally clever response will be "oh you're the one who feels this is about you" since you wrote "you know who you are". Smart!

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I’m pretty sure the ‘you know who you are comment’ wasn’t really directed at you specifically.
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Old 10.08.2020, 08:16
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Stop comparing Sweden with countries like Belgium - you're embarrassing yourselves with a lack of a basic understanding of concepts such as geography and population density.

Belgium

11.5 million people

area: 30,689 km2

(22nd most densely populated country in the world)

Sweden

10.5 million people

area: 450,295 Km2

(159th most densely populated country in the world)

Can you see how something like a contagious disease may have an easier chance of being transmitted around Belgium than Sweden?

Would you like me to draw a picture of a Belgium landscape, and then one of a Swedish landscape? Perhaps that might make it clearer.


I found a quote that sums it up:

"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."

You know who you are.
Perhaps you could also draw us a picture of the Brazilian landscape? Or the USA? Two countries not to dissimilar from Sweden's population density yet currently sitting number one and two on the reported deaths table.

It's not as if people are even distributed throughout Sweden either.
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Old 10.08.2020, 08:41
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Re: Coronavirus

Saturday night I crossed Basel on my push bike, and there were hundreds of people out and congregating in the usual hot spots and bars.
The Birsköpfli seemed to have a rave on the go, and Steinenvorstadt was rammed, a bit like a summer's evening in fact.
The youngsters/revellers really don't care.
There were also (upto) 9km queues at the Gotthard, most of the day 6km, that's '000s of people heading north from their Italian holidays.
If the virus is about, it's hardly being restricted by people's movements.
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Old 10.08.2020, 09:38
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Wow.

We shouldn't disclose the gender of posters, either.

Hope things calm down asap.
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Old 10.08.2020, 09:42
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I’m pretty sure the ‘you know who you are comment’ wasn’t really directed at you specifically.
Oh I'm sure it was, he takes every opportunity he can get to insult me in some shape or form (and a select few others whose opinion he disagrees with - which you can do sans insult, mind you). 99% of the time I literally just scroll past it and never acknowledge the comment, but I guess this was the 1% where I wasn't willing to do so.
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Old 10.08.2020, 11:16
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The youngsters/revellers really don't care.
I honestly think, and that's coz I know them so welll, that they cannot just stop life...stop mingling, social interaction, dating, hanging out. It is not really within their powers and it is unrealistic to expect some major change. Canton Vaud seems that young folks are still very mindful and respectful of the official measures but how long this disciplined attitude lasts...probably depends on marketing and how chic the campaign gets.
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Old 10.08.2020, 14:58
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Oh I'm sure it was, he takes every opportunity he can get to insult me in some shape or form (and a select few others whose opinion he disagrees with - which you can do sans insult, mind you). 99% of the time I literally just scroll past it and never acknowledge the comment, but I guess this was the 1% where I wasn't willing to do so.

So some people disagree with what other people write on this forum.
Your insight is astounding.

In this case I happen to disagree with 99% of what you write. Sorry but that's the way it is.

Even when you replied to my post in response to mine about your comparison of Belgium and Sweden, you ignored that and listed loads of Asian countries instead.

Here's why I think you write nonsense (if you think that is an insult then you either need a thicker skin or a different forum):

Perhaps instead of mentioning Belgium in comparison to Sweden, you should have mentioned the other Scandinavian countries with similar population densities and spreads, oh, and cultures - namely Finland, Norway and Denmark.

Sweden - three times more COVID-19 deaths than Denmark.
Sweden - seven times more COVID-19 deaths than Norway.
Sweden - seven times more COVID-19 deaths than Finland.

I'm pretty sure this isn't evidence of herd immunity.
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Old 10.08.2020, 16:09
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Can I just remind everyone that schools in Switzerland WERE opened, kids WENT back in school and finished the school year? It's summer break now, but since the easing of restrictions and getting back to school there hasn't been a spike, so, well, there's a data point.
Meanwhile in the US
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The report, published by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association, said in those two weeks, there was a 40% increase in child cases across the states and cities that were studied.
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So not immune as Trump claimed.
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Re: Coronavirus

Looking back at the history of Coronaviruses, here's a Salisbury connection regarding early research
into Human Coronaviruses at the Common Cold Unit near Salisbury which made the longest continuous
study of the causes of The Common Cold from 1946 to 1989.

Wiki - The Common Cold Unit investigations into the Common Cold

Studies of Rhinovirusus & Coronaviruses at the Common Cold Unit near Salisbury Wiltshire
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Old 10.08.2020, 17:44
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Meanwhile in the US


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So not immune as Trump claimed.
Most school districts are requiring children to get tested now before returning to school. Not a surprise the rates are going up as testing is focused on a different demographic than usual.

Would assume most that are testing positive are also asymptomatic.

My son tested negative - so he can go to college. He is attending campus and i"m not worried at all for him.

The older one is having trouble getting a student visa to go back to the UK (from US).
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Old 10.08.2020, 18:09
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Be safe out there folks so please wear a mask!

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I apologize if someone has already mentioned this here, but I noticed earlier today, in an article in The Local, that there will be a meeting on August 12th where it might be decided that masks will be made mandatory in all stores across all of Switzerland:

Everything that changes in August 2020 in Switzerland
https://www.thelocal.ch/20200804/eve...in-switzerland

"What else could change? Circle August 12 on your calendar

Amid rising infection rates across the country - particularly in Geneva - the federal government is considering implementing further restrictions, most notably acting on a recommendation of the Board of Directors of the Health Directors' Conference (GDK) to make masks in shops compulsory in all cantons.

This meeting will take place on August 12th.

While some cantons - Geneva, Jura and Vaud - already have compulsory masks in shops, the result of the meeting could be a nationwide requirement."
Thanks for bringing this up, it would be nice if someone/anyone will write a brief summary here so that people will know what to expect for Switzerland.

I realise some of our contributors are not living in CH and are tempted to discuss more about UK or USA etc but the focus should be imo on what's going on here. Plus the schools will be open in one week (at least in the German cantons), wonder if there will be new rules. We haven't received any new e-mail from the school yet, I suppose any new decisions, if there will be any, will be communicated tomorrow or the day after.
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Thanks for bringing this up, it would be nice if someone/anyone will write a brief summary here so that people will know what to expect for Switzerland.

I realise some of our contributors are not living in CH and are tempted to discuss more about UK or USA etc but the focus should be imo on what's going on here. Plus the schools will be open in one week (at least in the German cantons), wonder if there will be new rules. We haven't received any new e-mail from the school yet, I suppose any new decisions, if there will be any, will be communicated tomorrow or the day after.
well looks like my shopping days are going to get less.But of course its not compulsory to wear masks. Theres no breaking any law if one does not.
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Old 11.08.2020, 08:24
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well looks like my shopping days are going to get less.But of course its not compulsory to wear masks. Theres no breaking any law if one does not.
Well, look at the good side if you want - you'll save money. We saved more than usual in the last 4- 5 months and we didn't exactly starve or tried to be sensible re. hobbies etc. If I'll have a burning desire to throw them out of the window I know where to ask for financial advice...
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Old 11.08.2020, 10:27
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Most school districts are requiring children to get tested now before returning to school. Not a surprise the rates are going up as testing is focused on a different demographic than usual.

Would assume most that are testing positive are also asymptomatic.
Sure, more testing exposes more cases (the whole point of testing, of course), but the issue is that Trump claimed that children are immune -- and they're not. Displaying no symptoms does not equate to not having the disease, and in any case, it's clear that someone testing positive for a disease is a carrier of that disease. It's not well established whether children, as carriers of coronavirus, can easily pass the virus on, so it remains a risk. Given the large number of families in Switzerland that use the free grandparents childcare service, thanks to the 1950s attitude to family structure and child rearing that is completely incompatible with modern norms, that risk is one we don't need to take. I agree with you, I'm not concerned for the kids -- just for everybody else they come in contact with.

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Plus the schools will be open in one week (at least in the German cantons), wonder if there will be new rules. We haven't received any new e-mail from the school yet, I suppose any new decisions, if there will be any, will be communicated tomorrow or the day after.
The schools in BS and BL started their new year yesterday. Full, normal school hours. Teachers and almost nobody else wore masks at the initial gathering for new students and parents, thereafter no masks at all. Just a few standard reminders from BAG about using the right hand side of the stairs, washing hands (just twice per day at school!), and avoiding handshakes. Business pretty much as usual.
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my impression is that many are learning to live with Corona now. Live is starting to return back to normal as the social apocalypse cannot continue.

having been in Austria this summer, there are a gazillion tourists from NL DE and AT there and the only place you notice Corona is in supermarkets as they returned to wearing masks recently.

bars and restaurants are business as usual with no screens like there are here. I did witness a drunk woman in a bar who was selectively upset at a couple of people because they brushed past here while others brushing past were not targetted by her ire......I guess her friends just can't have Corona
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Old 11.08.2020, 12:07
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my impression is that many are learning to live with Corona now. Live is starting to return back to normal as the social apocalypse cannot continue.

having been in Austria this summer, there are a gazillion tourists from NL DE and AT there and the only place you notice Corona is in supermarkets as they returned to wearing masks recently.

bars and restaurants are business as usual with no screens like there are here. I did witness a drunk woman in a bar who was selectively upset at a couple of people because they brushed past here while others brushing past were not targetted by her ire......I guess her friends just can't have Corona
I agree with this assessment, with the new spikes we're seeing across Europe I think rather than being a "second wave" we're seeing just the persistent presence of the virus. Even in Australia, and splendidly isolated New Zealand has reported new cases today. It just goes to show that instead of knee-jerk reactive policy, long term planning is required that preserves society and the economy. Fortunately the likes of Switzerland, Austria and Sweden seem to have grasped this point.

Sweden have long said that it's a "good" thing for virus to spread amongst young people who do not get affected by it. The reasoning being that the more it spreads, the increased likelihood herd immunity is built up. The natural spread of the virus is how populations can shrug off its effects, retarding this process will just result in the second spikes we're seeing now in many parts of the world.
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Old 11.08.2020, 12:21
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Sweden have long said that it's a "good" thing for virus to spread amongst young people who do not get affected by it. The reasoning being that the more it spreads, the increased likelihood herd immunity is built up. The natural spread of the virus is how populations can shrug off its effects, retarding this process will just result in the second spikes we're seeing now in many parts of the world.
My previous post, about the partying in Basel, would support this. And what have the young got to fear anyway? The kids going back to school will be the 'super spreaders' though, sneezing in their hands and wiping it everywhere, filthy little blighters.
But anyway, the virus is here to stay for the forseeable future, lucky it can be avoided by washing hands and a bit of distancing.

I was on a boat on the Thunersee last weekend, 1st class deck (well worth the extra 40% cost or whatever it is). Of the 20 or so people on the deck, no one kept the mask on, just well spread out.
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