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It's time governments bit the bullet and started different rules for different age groups. I would be more than happy to comply with measures on an age basis, if it allowed economies and people under say 40 or 50 to lead normal lives again - and be able to go to school, take exams, travel without threat of quarantine...
Precisely.

Btw it also seems that most generally healthy 70-plusers are less than impressed, let alone scared. My parents (both 70, no illnesses) tell me weekly stories of how their friends, all 70-80 roll their eyes at the ridiculousness of it all. At the very least that includes defying the rules around the highly dangerous act of shaking others' hands and continuing to do that. One friend of theirs, a 76-year old rather stuffy German/History teacher (also one of my former teachers) went so far as taking the tram all the way to the end of that line to ensure he was alone in it, just so he could rip off one of the stop-Corona posters which he then brought home to his wife who was equal parts shocked and amused. Guess unexpected 68-er mentality came through there.

So much for "protecting" that group which never asked to be protected, but by and large seems to say eh, gotta die some day.

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And do you wear a mask on public transport?
I don't take public transport anyway, Corona or not.

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Old 16.08.2020, 12:08
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Re: Coronavirus

Switzerland has had less deaths in 2020 compared to any other year in the last 5 years! (period taken into account January to July)

https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/moins-...s-339594448599

Even with coronavirus, less people died in 2020!
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They already do. When are people finally going to stand up to this absolute ridiculous insanity. .
They do it in France for instance, because the French are not sheep they're free people (yeah, have heard this refrain being sang in other places too). Cases surge despite of gov asking people to respect the same rules they were supposed to do just weeks ago.

I'll guess we'll have to agree to disagree on what means being a free or courageous person.
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Old 16.08.2020, 16:40
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If I was the Corona virus then I would be...

Scared of threats against me from the blamers.

Jealous of politicians that BS about me.

Sad about all the destruction, deaths etc.

My moral would be at an all time low due to trumps fake news about me.

Hurt due to Trump saying I will die off during summer.


A bit of a bummer none of this applies to the corona virus.
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Old 16.08.2020, 17:26
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If I was the Corona virus then I would be...
... without a brain or a sex life
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Re: Coronavirus

Interesting article on T-Cell immunity and Covid from NY mag:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020....html#comments
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Honestly? Everyone does, here or crossing the country - I see nobody sans a mask.
my post was for Samarie
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https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/erster-...z-945827279337

More amazing than stating someone had died, when they hadn't, this patient would have been the first Covid19 death of someone under 30 in Switzerland.

It's time governments bit the bullet and started different rules for different age groups. I would be more than happy to comply with measures on an age basis, if it allowed economies and people under say 40 or 50 to lead normal lives again - and be able to go to school, take exams, travel without threat of quarantine...
Once an 87-year-old deceased was recorded as a 27-year-old, another victim was actually over 100 instead of 9 years old.
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Old 16.08.2020, 19:40
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That’s all very well in theory but would be quite difficult to put into practice in my opinion.

There are many mixed aged households plus younger people who are in the ‘at risk’ categories etc.
I agree, the rules should be the same for everyone. They can issue optional guidelines for other age groups but it's up to them what they do. People need to take their own decisions just like the do with smoking or being obese.
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Old 16.08.2020, 20:17
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Switzerland has had less deaths in 2020 compared to any other year in the last 5 years! (period taken into account January to July)

https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/moins-...s-339594448599

Even with coronavirus, less people died in 2020!
Moral of the story: quarantine everyone for 3-4 months each year. and you'll have fewer deaths.
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Old 16.08.2020, 20:24
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Moral of the story: quarantine everyone for 3-4 months each year. and you'll have fewer deaths.
I suspect people's immune systems will have shut down with too much hand washing & lack of contact with virus's, I predict a huge no of non Covid Flu type deaths next year.
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Old 16.08.2020, 22:08
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I suspect people's immune systems will have shut down with too much hand washing & lack of contact with virus's, I predict a huge no of non Covid Flu type deaths next year.
Is this prediction based on professional knowledge of immunology or just a wild guess?
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Old 16.08.2020, 22:41
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It's time governments bit the bullet and started different rules for different age groups. I would be more than happy to comply with measures on an age basis, if it allowed economies and people under say 40 or 50 to lead normal lives again - and be able to go to school, take exams, travel without threat of quarantine...
How do you protect one third of the population, or keep them separate?
18% are 65 or older, the others have medical issues. The pensioners may be doable but I don't see how things would work with so many others. Especially parents with young kids, people with jobs that come with frequent customer presence, etc.
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How do you protect one third of the population, or keep them separate?
18% are 65 or older, the others have medical issues. The pensioners may be doable but I don't see how things would work with so many others. Especially parents with young kids, people with jobs that come with frequent customer presence, etc.
how about we just be responsible for ourselves.... life is full of risks, and we each balance them as we see fit. If you don't want to catch a virus, then self isolate. The government could help support people who have a rational fear of a virus, i.e. those with health problems and old age persons. If you're a healthy adult then there is no sense in staying at home, losing jobs, causing stress and crashing the economies.
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Re: Coronavirus

It is not about personal freedom. The virus is here to stay. It will be followed by the next one.
It is about trying to find a good way to avoid a serious spike in the number of cases.
New Zealand tries to self isolate, without a vaccine that is going to be difficult/impossible unless infection rates fall in the rest of the world.
Most other countries try strategies based on current knowledge.
Air-travel caused a rapid world-wide spread so reduce it.
Activities where people exchange appreciable quantities of exhaled air caused transmission hot spots, so ban them. (opening the clubs??!!!!).
Masks, hand washing are simple measures to reduce transmission
National borders are a problem, a virus does not recognize them. A rational policy would see harder restrictions in Lugano, Basel and Geneva (Zürich?)than in the rest of Switzerland.
Sidelining the elderly (age cut-off?) and the those with pre-existing medical conditions ( WTF, I have lots of pre-existing conditions - I am hoping that not suffering from hay-fever gives me a better chance of surviving a covid infection) in not practical and morally questionable. The next virus may well have a different age-profile.
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Is this prediction based on professional knowledge of immunology or just a wild guess?
Now, now...you're being too reasonable !

Don't question anything here, all opinions are equally accurate and informative.
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It is not about personal freedom. The virus is here to stay. It will be followed by the next one.
It is about trying to find a good way to avoid a serious spike in the number of cases.
New Zealand tries to self isolate, without a vaccine that is going to be difficult/impossible unless infection rates fall in the rest of the world.
Most other countries try strategies based on current knowledge.
Air-travel caused a rapid world-wide spread so reduce it.
Activities where people exchange appreciable quantities of exhaled air caused transmission hot spots, so ban them. (opening the clubs??!!!!).
Masks, hand washing are simple measures to reduce transmission
National borders are a problem, a virus does not recognize them. A rational policy would see harder restrictions in Lugano, Basel and Geneva (Zürich?)than in the rest of Switzerland.
Sidelining the elderly (age cut-off?) and the those with pre-existing medical conditions ( WTF, I have lots of pre-existing conditions - I am hoping that not suffering from hay-fever gives me a better chance of surviving a covid infection) in not practical and morally questionable. The next virus may well have a different age-profile.
Activities where people exchange appreciable quantities of exhaled air

Deep kissing is a No No!
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Old 17.08.2020, 08:54
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I thought the same thing. Just returned from the States on Monday.Filled out the mandatory online form, filled out paperwork on the plane and had a visit from two plain clothes police officers this morning. Asked for passport id, registration card and if anyone else was in the house (specifically where is your husband?). I thought it funny that one of them was wearing a Visit Florida t-shirt. He did not think it was as funny as I did.

They took out my trash though, so that was nice.
Interesting story, thanks for that! I think the difference is two fold, Switzerland has about only 7000 people in quarantine at the moment, the UK should be well over half a million which is completely unenforceable (I believe I heard on the radio at the weekend that only 40 fines have been handed out for people breaking quarantine until now).

Secondly it is difficult for Switzerland to quarantine people who have returned from high risk countries in Europe due to Schengen so I expect most of the 7000 are people who have returned from the USA.

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Son going back to Uni in UK in Sep. We finally got a slot to renew his student visa next week (Chicago - 6 hour drive). Warwick says they have quarantine dorms available where they will bring him food/etc for the 14 day period.

How to get there from Heathrow? Oh, just take public transport...

How did you s ever manage to rule the world?
Incredible isn't it?! The utter incompetence of the UK government throughout this crisis is mind-blowing!

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It is not about personal freedom. The virus is here to stay. It will be followed by the next one.
It is about trying to find a good way to avoid a serious spike in the number of cases.
New Zealand tries to self isolate, without a vaccine that is going to be difficult/impossible unless infection rates fall in the rest of the world.
Most other countries try strategies based on current knowledge.
Air-travel caused a rapid world-wide spread so reduce it.
Activities where people exchange appreciable quantities of exhaled air caused transmission hot spots, so ban them. (opening the clubs??!!!!).
Masks, hand washing are simple measures to reduce transmission
National borders are a problem, a virus does not recognize them. A rational policy would see harder restrictions in Lugano, Basel and Geneva (Zürich?)than in the rest of Switzerland.
Sidelining the elderly (age cut-off?) and the those with pre-existing medical conditions ( WTF, I have lots of pre-existing conditions - I am hoping that not suffering from hay-fever gives me a better chance of surviving a covid infection) in not practical and morally questionable. The next virus may well have a different age-profile.
It's amusing now that after all the early praise heaped upon NZ and Australia that they're now seeing increases in infection rates. It goes to show that splendid isolation can only get so far and hiding behind the sofa until a vaccine becomes available is not really a viable plan. A virus just won't disappear and will eventually find its way though a population which is why Sweden's managed approach looks ever more like the only way forward.
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Interesting story, thanks for that! I think the difference is two fold, Switzerland has about only 7000 people in quarantine at the moment, the UK should be well over half a million which is completely unenforceable (I believe I heard on the radio at the weekend that only 40 fines have been handed out for people breaking quarantine until now).

Secondly it is difficult for Switzerland to quarantine people who have returned from high risk countries in Europe due to Schengen so I expect most of the 7000 are people who have returned from the USA.



Incredible isn't it?! The utter incompetence of the UK government throughout this crisis is mind-blowing!



It's amusing now that after all the early praise heaped upon NZ and Australia that they're now seeing increases in infection rates. It goes to show that splendid isolation can only get so far and hiding behind the sofa until a vaccine becomes available is not really a viable plan. A virus just won't disappear and will eventually find its way though a population which is why Sweden's managed approach looks ever more like the only way forward.
Add a few more hundred to the quarantine in CH. The ETA Zürich made some mistakes-could it you?

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/hundert...e-784679826621
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