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Old 20.08.2020, 09:53
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That right there is the attribute that gets liberals those higher intelligence scores, the ability (and willingness) to see how things are connected. Conservatives love to view everything in isolation so they don’t have to accept the consequences of their apathy and recklessness. Sorry to tell you Tony, in this world EVERYTHING is connected in one way or another. It’s just a matter of being smart enough to see it.
There it is again, if you were smarter, you would agree with me.

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Can a moderator perhaps move the socialist vs conservative and democratic vs republican posts to a separate thread, as they are irrelevant to the coronavirus?
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Old 20.08.2020, 13:07
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That right there is the attribute that gets liberals those higher intelligence scores, the ability (and willingness) to see how things are connected. Conservatives love to view everything in isolation so they don’t have to accept the consequences of their apathy and recklessness. Sorry to tell you Tony, in this world EVERYTHING is connected in one way or another. It’s just a matter of being smart enough to see it.
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Old 20.08.2020, 13:34
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Uh, no. Nice try.
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Old 20.08.2020, 13:40
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Can a moderator perhaps move the socialist vs conservative and democratic vs republican posts to a separate thread, as they are irrelevant to the coronavirus?
HA! Yeah sorry but it absolutely is relevant. Your understanding of politics must be extremely simple if you think a global health crisis with governments limiting freedom of movement and mandating social behavior isn't political, and therefore subject to partisan policy. It's about as political as anything can be.
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Old 20.08.2020, 13:42
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There it is again, if you were smarter, you would agree with me.
No. If you were smarter (or just more willing to look) you'd see the connections.
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Old 20.08.2020, 13:45
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To be fair to our friend EdwinNL, he said during this discussion that he was conservative/right wing yet was in favour of the lockdown measures. Just another small example that robogobo's theory is nonsense.
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Old 20.08.2020, 13:50
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To be fair to our friend EdwinNL, he said during this discussion that he was conservative/right wing yet was in favour of the lockdown measures. Just another small example that robogobo's theory is nonsense.
Your oversimplified and twisted version of my theory is nonsense. But my theory that the 20/20 hindsight "overreaction" position is overwhelmingly right wing, while the left overwhelmingly supported extensive lockdown measures from the start, and that the political spectrum being a circle, extremes in either direction will appear identical, all spot on. Of course the contrarian only needs to find one exception to a rule and he thinks he's right.
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Old 20.08.2020, 14:00
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HA! Yeah sorry but it absolutely is relevant. Your understanding of politics must be extremely simple if you think a global health crisis with governments limiting freedom of movement and mandating social behavior isn't political, and therefore subject to partisan policy. It's about as political as anything can be.
Yes, it is political. But I see that in Switzerland the covid19 is regarded as a problem to solve through politics while in my home country the virus is seen as an opportunity to discredit the current government/politicians.

All this right/left wing discussion is not aimed at solving the problems or minimizing the side effects of proposed solution, it's just scoring on the opponents, winning an argument for the sake of winning. This kind of politics is the irrelevant one, but it attracts a lot of people.
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Old 20.08.2020, 14:04
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Re: Coronavirus

In Malta with a population of 465,000, 3030 tests were carried out in the last 24 hours with 40 positive. Seems way over the top, 80% of the positives have no symptoms.
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Yes, it is political. But I see that in Switzerland the covid19 is regarded as a problem to solve through politics while in my home country the virus is seen as an opportunity to discredit the current government/politicians.

All this right/left wing discussion is not aimed at solving the problems or minimizing the side effects of proposed solution, it's just scoring on the opponents, winning an argument for the sake of winning. This kind of politics is the irrelevant one, but it attracts a lot of people.
The right/left distinction in policy, while you may not consider it relevant to this particular discussion, is critical in understanding the connections between government, media, support on the street and how you are affected personally by the rule put in place. Come on, you can't actually believe you can push aside politics and try to find a solution that will actually make it through the proper channels and into practice. What about upcoming elections in the US? What about vetting news sources when you search for facts? What about the message coming from influential groups trying to bolster or discredit the daily new "discoveries" about the virus. How can you think politics doesn't play a role in every move?
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Old 20.08.2020, 15:44
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There it is again, if you were smarter, you would agree with me.



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No. If you were smarter (or just more willing to look) you'd see the connections.
Go on finish the thought, we are almost there

....I'd see the connections and then ....
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Old 20.08.2020, 15:45
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Re: Coronavirus

After the surge in corona virus cases in France president Macron said there was no way to introduce another lockdown due to the collateral damage caused by confinement

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So much for the benefits of a lockdown.

It's good to see that countries are slowly but surely adopting the correct Swedish approach
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Old 20.08.2020, 15:46
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Basel Stadt introduced the "Erweiterte Maskenpflicht"

https://www.medien.bs.ch/nm/2020-cor...-stadt-rr.html

Very brief: Mask is mandatory in shops an restaurants.
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Old 20.08.2020, 16:00
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Re: Coronavirus

For those interested in school reopening, it is not going so well in some parts of the US.
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While many schools aren’t scheduled to reopen until later this month or September, those that have are offering a preview of the chaos that awaits districts this fall, particularly in hotspots in the South and Midwest where the virus is spreading uncontrollably.

In Georgia’s Cherokee County School District, where students are not required to wear masks, nearly 2,200 students — mostly high schoolers — are quarantining after coming into contact with one of 116 students or 25 teachers and staff members with COVID-19. Another 53 teachers and staff members are also quarantining.

Schools in states like Indiana, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Tennessee have shut down, at least temporarily, after finding COVID-19 in their hallways and classrooms.
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Difficulty is that there are no standard agreed definitions of the requirements to be met to open a school or when a school should be closed.
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Old 20.08.2020, 16:13
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So much for the benefits of a lockdown.

It's good to see that countries are slowly but surely adopting the correct Swedish approach
Finally someone has the balls to set the precedent in Europe.
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Old 20.08.2020, 16:46
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Uh, no, that is not specifically what he said or meant. We here in France have seen another lockdown in the Mayenne, which is one département. They have had high numbers of positive tests and they were put back into a quasi-lockdown with groups limited to 10, etc. He was saying that he is not putting the entire country back into our extreme lockdown when we had to stay with 100 meters of our house. When the testing rate rises above a certain number, as it is currently doing in Paris and Marseilles, just those specific areas will be backtracked. No more gathering in parks, on beaches, on riversides, etc. We are at a point in France, as I am sure you are in Switzerland, where each of the positive cases every day is well known and monitored. The entire country of France is not going back into lockdown. They are dealing with these new outbreaks on a very targeted basis.
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https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/switzerland

Basel Airport is considered to be partially in France so Quarantine is required..

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Old 20.08.2020, 16:57
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So much for the benefits of a lockdown.

It's good to see that countries are slowly but surely adopting the correct Swedish approach
"So much for the benefits of a lockdown?" Would you really rather prefer that thousands of more people had died?
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Old 20.08.2020, 17:01
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"So much for the benefits of a lockdown?" Would you really rather prefer that thousands of more people had died?
Lockdown causes more damage than corona virus, this is the reality unfortunately.
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Uh, no, that is not specifically what he said or meant. We here in France have seen another lockdown in the Mayenne, which is one département. They have had high numbers of positive tests and they were put back into a quasi-lockdown with groups limited to 10, etc. He was saying that he is not putting the entire country back into our extreme lockdown when we had to stay with 100 meters of our house. When the testing rate rises above a certain number, as it is currently doing in Paris and Marseilles, just those specific areas will be backtracked. No more gathering in parks, on beaches, on riversides, etc. We are at a point in France, as I am sure you are in Switzerland, where each of the positive cases every day is well known and monitored. The entire country of France is not going back into lockdown. They are dealing with these new outbreaks on a very targeted basis.
Yes, I did understand that.

Local lock downs, the new normal.
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