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Old 22.08.2020, 18:06
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I think psychologists will be analyzing this for years to come, both in children and adults. I wonder what sort of mentality a child in today's western world is going to wind up with, when every person outside the home is to be viewed as a potential threat, even a potential source of death. Children are being taught that you can't hug people, go see grandma, high five, go to other gatherings, play sports together, etc. unless you're somehow "protected" from the other.
One of my mates said she feels like a lab rat in an experiment and she struggles keeping things light hearted around her kids, but manages to do it. She's recovering from breast cancer so classed as high risk, has a child about to begin infant school, two secondary school age step-children and elderly parents. On top of juggling that, she's a high school head of department and her husband is in the police. That's one hell of a balancing act of risk vs exposure, but millions are doing it. Millions of kids are seeing a front line parent having to jump straight into the shower when they get home before being able to greet the other parent.
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Old 22.08.2020, 22:06
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That's not the mortality rate. According to Worldometer itself you need to have the number of actual cases, not the reported cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/
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One thing is pretty certain, though: the true number of cases will probably never be known, as many undoubtedly go untested and unconfirmed. This means that the current mortality rates are almost certainly overstated.
All the more reason for Trump and other leaders to boost their testing rates, by the way. The greater the pool of tested individuals, the lower the apparent mortality rate.
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Old 22.08.2020, 23:41
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Re: Coronavirus

Somebody once asked if there was any US political breakdown (Dems and GOP) of virus victims.

Found this today, obviously a small sample.
Members of US Congress who tested positive
Rep. Dan Meuser (R-Pa.), Reps. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), Joe Cunningham (D-S.C.), Ben McAdams (D-Utah), Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), Neal Dunn (R-Fla.), Mike Kelly (R-Pa.), Tom Rice (R-S.C.), Morgan Griffith (R-Va.), Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) and Rodney Davis (R-Ill.) and Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Bill Cassidy (R-La.).
So 11 GOP vs 3 Dems.

Congress members; 251 GOP & 277 Dems.
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Old 23.08.2020, 00:49
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3Wishes, tbh I can sympathise with those parents because it's a bit difficult to teach your kids to protect themselves (and others) while making everything look "normal" and relaxed.
Definitely a hard target to hit. I spent the first two weeks of shutdown trying to get my kids to just wash their hands before eating, and cough/sneeze into their arm. They didn't take it seriously, or just couldn't gauge the seriousness I was trying to convey. So I dialed it up. But then I overshot it, and now my son is much more extreme about it than I am, I'm having to try to calm him down. My daughter otoh is still pretty chill about the whole thing. Hard to know why one kid reacts and the other doesn't.
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Old 23.08.2020, 11:39
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Somebody once asked if there was any US political breakdown (Dems and GOP) of virus victims.

Found this today, obviously a small sample.
Members of US Congress who tested positive
Rep. Dan Meuser (R-Pa.), Reps. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), Joe Cunningham (D-S.C.), Ben McAdams (D-Utah), Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), Neal Dunn (R-Fla.), Mike Kelly (R-Pa.), Tom Rice (R-S.C.), Morgan Griffith (R-Va.), Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) and Rodney Davis (R-Ill.) and Sens. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Bill Cassidy (R-La.).
So 11 GOP vs 3 Dems.

Congress members; 251 GOP & 277 Dems.
Although almost certainly looking at the states with the most deaths per capita red voters are less likely to get the virus.
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Old 23.08.2020, 11:47
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Although almost certainly looking at the states with the most deaths per capita red voters are less likely to get the virus.
Given that blue states are more densely populated, it makes sense.
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Old 23.08.2020, 11:53
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Although almost certainly looking at the states with the most deaths per capita red voters are less likely to get the virus.
Assuming both blue and red voters adopt the same level of caution and self-protection.
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Old 23.08.2020, 23:06
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I don't know what the alternative is either. But I'm sick entire to see children robbed of a normal life. I can't even begin to tell you about the anger and frustration I accumulated on behalf of children/youth, albeit I agree with all the decisions that have been made. It is a catch22 situation or how do they call it.
There is no right solution.

The most likely result of opening schools and colleges is that sooner or later they turn into virus hot spots so then they either have to return to online learning and later open again after quarantine followed by rinse and repeat or they stay open and spread infection through the local community.
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Old 24.08.2020, 01:38
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That's not the mortality rate. According to Worldometer itself you need to have the number of actual cases, not the reported cases.
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...us-death-rate/
A nonsensical demand by WM - you can never claim to have 100% of the actual cases with 100% certainty, whether that's medical cases, traffic accidents, suicides, or anything else. There's always uncertainty, the best you can do is reduce it but it'll never be zero.

The diagnosed cases is the best you got. Next best is an estimate based on xyz, which is where we are once the asymptomatic Covid cases are included.
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Old 24.08.2020, 11:21
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Re: Coronavirus

Listened to the radio on my morning commute. Heard something about masks being mandatory on canton ZH shops and public buildings, but my German skills are not up to the task. Later checked 20min and the headline on masks is a question So, mandatory or not?

I hope we don't get to the ridicule situation where mask's rules are not only by canton but also at gemeinde level.....not here, but 2 blocks from here apply, next town don't
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Old 24.08.2020, 11:24
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Re: Coronavirus

Another side effect of the lockdown has been a drastic increase in the number of people seeking help for alcoholism.

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Its helpline has seen an increase in calls of 500% since lockdown began, an indication of how many people have found their drinking has escalated out of control.
What's also all too familiar is the almost daily reporting of news stories as to the terrible consequences of the lockdown for a virus now known to have a low decimal digit mortality rate.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53807908
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Old 24.08.2020, 11:47
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Another side effect of the lockdown has been a drastic increase in the number of people seeking help for alcoholism.

What's also all too familiar is the almost daily reporting of news stories as to the terrible consequences of the lockdown for a virus now known to have a low decimal digit mortality rate.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53807908
I had troubles with alcohol in my youth. The first thing to get better was taking responsibility and stop blaming others. If you care about alcoholics, stop telling them it's not your choice. Unless people is just puppets used to score on the other side.
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Old 24.08.2020, 12:03
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Another side effect of the lockdown has been a drastic increase in the number of people seeking help for alcoholism.



What's also all too familiar is the almost daily reporting of news stories as to the terrible consequences of the lockdown for a virus now known to have a low decimal digit mortality rate.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53807908
The irony is that the UK is a nation suffering from widespread alcoholism at many age categories and most people's drinking was already out of control before lockdown began. 'Normal' and 'in control drinking' in the UK is already considered alcoholism in most civilized EU countries... the UK population is just very good at deluding themselves when it comes to these things.

Lockdown then exacerbated those existing drinking habits and likely many others. It's a lack of self-control endemic to UK culture.
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Old 24.08.2020, 17:04
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Re: Coronavirus

"Sweden has developed herd immunity after refusing to lock down, experts claim. Its coronavirus infection rate is falling" https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sw...?siteid=yhoof2
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Old 24.08.2020, 17:08
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Re: Coronavirus

and in other news, masks in shops in ZH from Thursday.....
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Old 24.08.2020, 18:07
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Re: Coronavirus

Summary from BAG's epidemiological status assessment dated 19 August:
- 97% (!) of all deaths occurred in people with at least one pre-condition
- 85% of all hospitalizations occurred in people with at least one pre-condition
- median age of people who died was 86 (women) and 83 (men)
- median age of hospitalizations so far was 73 (women) and 69 (men)
- even "cases", meaning positive infections, showed a median age of 48 (women) and 50 (men)

Yes. This certainly is a totally reasonable foundation to continue to restrict freedoms of all 8.6m people in whatever shape or form.

Now bring on the groans given some still don't want to believe any of it, even if you throw actually proof at them from official sources.

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...rnational.html
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Old 24.08.2020, 18:09
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- median age of people who died was 86 (women) and 83 (men)
They had their whole lives ahead of them.
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Re: Coronavirus

News from HK shows the first properly confirmed reinfection. In this case it was confirmed as the individual has a different strain from his previous infection 4 or 5 months earlier.

Although this might seem like bad news, the person involved is 33, so this shouldn't come as an enormous surprise. Mild infections typically don't give a lasting immune response.

I'm more interested to see if someone who was actually reasonably ill can be reinfected.
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Old 24.08.2020, 18:57
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"Sweden has developed herd immunity after refusing to lock down, experts claim. Its coronavirus infection rate is falling" https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sw...?siteid=yhoof2
This article is total rubbish. The text does not mention her immunity at all, let alone any expert opining on it. Snapshot infection rate comparisons also a joke.

I am not even saying Sweden doesn't have a point (I still think it is early), but this article is just pathetic.
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Old 24.08.2020, 19:06
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and in other news, masks in shops in ZH from Thursday.....
Thank you so much for posting that. I otherwise may have missed it. I had a feeling it was just a matter of time before they became mandatory here in the canton of Zurich. After seeing your post, I looked it up and found this (will post it in case it interests anyone else). Thanks again.

Zurich shoppers must wear face masks against coronavirus
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/zurich-...virus/45988580
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