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Old 01.03.2020, 08:22
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Re: Coronavirus

Well they say in CH one should keep one's distance socially to stop the spread.None of that 3 kissing bullshit! Guess EF is safe?

And I wonder now if in the Migros restaurant Zurich city one can find a seat at lunchtime now. I am sure it has not changed in the slightest

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Old 01.03.2020, 08:32
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Old 01.03.2020, 08:38
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That's not what she meant at all.

Is this like your "The Swiss don't do panic buying and hoarding" post?

Shall I post some photos of empty shelves in Migros and Coop?

Half your posts seem to be in the vein of criticising other countries and then stating "We don't do that like that in Switzerland" (when you obviously do).


Why do you insist on trying to speak on behalf of the Swiss people?
Frankly, the Swiss people I know would find your posts embarrassing.
Its probably the foreigners that are doing the hording!

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Old 01.03.2020, 08:53
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Re: Coronavirus

From the NYT

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The surgeon general on Saturday urged the public to stop buying masks, warning that it won’t help against the spread of the coronavirus but will take away important resources from health care professionals.

“Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!” the surgeon general, Jerome M. Adams, said in a tweet on Saturday morning. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

The plea comes as panicked consumers rush to buy masks online, including so-called N95s, a surge that has led to price gouging and counterfeit products.

In another tweet, Dr. Adams said the best way to protect against the virus is to wash hands regularly, and for those who are feeling ill to stay home.
My Podologue tells me he is having a real problem sourcing them.

Full story here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/h...ace-masks.html
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Old 01.03.2020, 09:00
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I think you missed the humor. It is ok, the situation isn't funny.
Humour has to be present to be missed.
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Old 01.03.2020, 09:02
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Another US case with unknown origin in Washington state.
As already posted, this person has sadly now died. The diagnosis was very late so how good a list of contacts and places visited is a matter of conjecture.

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“Unfortunately one person passed away overnight. She was a wonderful woman, a medically high-risk patient in her late 50s,” Trump told reporters in the White House briefing room.
According to Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, health officer for Seattle and King County, Washington the person was a man in his 50s with underlying health conditions.
Seriously, how can any US citizens who are worried about their health rely on advice from someone who just makes it up as he goes along?
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Old 01.03.2020, 09:17
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Re: Coronavirus

There are now 24 cases that occurred in the US, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, these are not related to virus cases that were repatriated.

The two dozen cases across the US are in Arizona, California, Illinois, Massachusetts, Oregon, Washington state and Wisconsin.

Most serious is the Life Care Center in Kirkland in Washington State where two people tested positive for the disease and more than 50 residents and staff are experiencing symptoms.

There is no known link with the Washington State man who died yesterday.
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Old 01.03.2020, 09:18
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Seriously, how can any US citizens who are worried about their health rely on advice from someone who just makes it up as he goes along?
It's under control - he's ordering a lot of different elements of medical.
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Old 01.03.2020, 09:21
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"An American Airlines flight from New York to Milan Malpensa was canceled because the crew refused to operate a connection destined for an area, Northern Italy, for a few days with the coronavirus emergency. The Boeing 777-200 of flight AA198 was expected to take off with over 200 passengers (and not three hundred as leaked at first) – including an Italian delegation of twenty-two Italian lawyers in the US city for a refresher course – at 18 local time (the midnight of March 1 in Italy), but the take-off was first postponed for 25 minutes, then 55 minutes, only to be canceled"


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Old 01.03.2020, 09:28
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Italy has been testing everyone in the general vicinity of a positive which is why their numbers are so high, and south Korea notifies citizens by text message of the past movements of the person so you are aware you are at risk and can behave accordingly. Not testing doesn't make the sick go away. It just means you aren't going to find out about it in the early stages and sick people are going to be traveling around as normal during the incubation period all while spreading virus. It's not that we have any less Coronavirus than Italy, we are just using an approach where it'll take far longer to find out about it.
According to what I’ve heard Switzerland has been doing the same, they are testing everyone who has possibly had contact with known cases and keeping them in isolation until the results are known.

What more do you expect them to do?
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Old 01.03.2020, 09:33
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As already posted, this person has sadly now died. The diagnosis was very late so how good a list of contacts and places visited is a matter of conjecture.
This is what happens when you only test people showing severe symptoms who came from high risk areas. You lose contact tracing real quick and it can spiral out of control. There's also the benefit of finding out how many recover alone which may balance out the high death rate.
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Old 01.03.2020, 09:44
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Re: Coronavirus

You can take homeopathic medicine to alleviate symptoms if you do get the corona-virus, according to Nationalrat counciller, Hans-Peter Portmann.

Here

Thankfully, his stupid comments were heavily criticised.
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Coronavirus & other pandemic like virus's - Medical staff conscription on the cards ?

The British governments decision to call upon newly retired doctors & nurses to return to
the NHS, as part of a UK's battle plan to combat the likely spread of the Coronavirus, raises
questions - are governments likely to introduce a form of conscription to battle Coronavirus,
H1N1, SARS, or any other future virus's, either now or in the immediate future.

BBC News - Coronavirus battle plan role for retired Doctors & Nurses
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Old 01.03.2020, 10:08
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Re: Coronavirus & other pandemic like virus's - Medical staff conscription on the car

No. I don't think so.
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Old 01.03.2020, 10:10
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You can take homeopathic medicine to alleviate symptoms if you do get the corona-virus, according to Nationalrat counciller, Hans-Peter Portmann.
Well, if he gets it, at least the doctors will know exactly what treatment plan to follow.
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Old 01.03.2020, 10:15
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Re: Coronavirus & other pandemic like virus's - Medical staff conscription on the car

Useless post.
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Old 01.03.2020, 10:18
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That's not at all reassuring considering those being tested have probably been walking around shedding virus for a week+. To be frank I would have expected a far more proactive approach from the country that insists on nuclear bunkers and iodine pills.
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As an ongoing development, I'd need to test daily if that were my approach. Italy has been testing everyone in the general vicinity of a positive which is why their numbers are so high, and south Korea notifies citizens by text message of the past movements of the person so you are aware you are at risk and can behave accordingly. Not testing doesn't make the sick go away. It just means you aren't going to find out about it in the early stages and sick people are going to be traveling around as normal during the incubation period all while spreading virus. It's not that we have any less Coronavirus than Italy, we are just using an approach where it'll take far longer to find out about it.
Exactly. And that goes for everybody. So what's the government to do differently from now with the ability of doing 1000 tests a day (last I read this morning).

They also do back-tracking here when people are tested positiv. I actually started listing who I was in contact with and where that is not possible at least where I was. My back-tracking will be easy should it be necessary. That's the kind of thing I would consider proactive.

I don't know where MC found humour in my post 1246, there was none intended.

Coincidentally I came accross the story of this couple, unfortunately it is in German (as it's Tages-Anzeiger). In short: This couple from St. Gallen was in Italy. Developped a cough and got worried. Went back to Switzerland and contacted BAG-hotline who told them to contact Kantonsspital St. Gallen. They got the information that - based on the info the couple gave - this should not be Corona, a test is not necessary.
After this the couple actually visited the carneval in Ascona and even went back to Italy took a scroll through Cannobbio and Intra before returning home.
A few days later they felt insecure again, so they contacted their GP, were told to get tested in Wil. Then the couple complains about being given different masks to change to (not enough security), the toilet being locked after the woman used it (too much exitment), the doctor wearing only her own glasses and no extra protective ones (not enough security for the doctor). What now? All this after they had taken at least two more risks by visiting a carnival in Ticino and re-entering Italy to take scrolls, both coughing away.
And the last complaint is about having to wait 24 hours for the test results (comfortably at their own home) - they could have taken the test 24 hours earlier had they skipped carnival and extra trip to Italy.
This is a perfect example of what's going on these days.

And what I am saying is: The system is only as good as every single individual. At the moment I seriously see no reason to blame the government of not being active enough. I expect and trust them to up the amounts of possible tests done as 1000/day will not be enough should Switzerland become a second Wuhan (which I personally don't expect to happen either).

Having handled crisis situations before (including the swine influenza phase, in a place where 170 people basically lived on top of each other) might make me a bit more pragmatic than people not used to exceptional circumstances but in any case the main thing is to take personal responsibility. Blame is for after, if necessary.
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Old 01.03.2020, 10:41
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Re: Coronavirus

A Hong Kong researcher from PolyU developed a diagnostic system (rapid test) to identify up to 40 types of bacteria or viruses within an hour, but was denied government funding(not sure why). I saw a demo video of the machine from another online media, all it needs is a sinus swab and the machine does the rest. Only one trained person is needed to operate the machine which makes it possible to have one at the airport for instance, to do tests on the spot, much more efficient, and it's cheap, a few hundred HKD, so i guess less than 100chf.

It's sad as technology advance, building solar roofs, self-driving cars, rockets, we're not exactly always putting our resources to the right place.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...lop-diagnostic
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Re: Coronavirus & other pandemic like virus's - Medical staff conscription on the car

Or governments ( like the UK ) could introduce a form of Volunteer Reserve role for medical staff whereby
newly retired medical staff ( or those who have left to pursue other careers outside the NHS )
have the option of going on the Reserve Medical NHS staff muster role, whereby just like the
Territorials they still receive ongoing medical training during muster weekends; assigned to
their local NHS Hospitals and yet still enjoy their other occupation during the week.

Naturally when an emergency arises - just like the Territorials - they go on active service with the
NHS and yet get special dispensation from their employers, to keep open their jobs until their
active service has finished.
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Old 01.03.2020, 11:00
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In my home country, as an MD you take a Hippocratic oath as a part of the grad ceremony. Which means even when retired (or on holidays), in case of public health crisis the MDs have a duty to present themselves where they are needed (if their own health allows). The pandemic plans have been ready for a long time.
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