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Some people always have dozens of friends or relatives that are about to die of Covid or whatever we are discussing, same people time & time again.
I've had a close friend who has died back in the UK due to a delay in a Cancer diagnosis thanks to the Covid pandemic, so I have very little time for such totally idiotic opinions and, for want of a better word, LIES like the one given.
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Old 21.09.2020, 14:43
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Some people always have dozens of friends or relatives that are about to die of Covid or whatever we are discussing, same people time & time again.
You'd be far more constructive of you looked at actual figures, issues, and possibilities. Not a single member of my side of the family have had the virus. The same cannot be said of my partner's side of the family. Genetics? Both of us have lost a number of family members to cancer and with the current one, a genetic link is being investigated.

Whilst this may appear false to you, certain families experience certain illnesses at a greater degree than others. If your family aren't affected, then you should thank your lucky stars and not be so crass and insensitive as to mock others who are. It says a lot about your calibre as a gentleman, and none if it is flattering.
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Old 21.09.2020, 14:59
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I'll tell you what is tunnel vision, concentrating on a virus with a fatality rate approaching flu like levels whilst ignoring things like cancer, the economy, people's liberties, and LIVING!
Which COVID-19 fatality rate are you talking about? There are plenty of case fatality rates to choose from; see chart.
Actually your favorite Sweden has one of the highest case fatality rates at ca. 7%.

The “infection fatality rate” calculation requires the total number of cases of COVID-19 that is currently not known.

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I'll tell you what is tunnel vision, concentrating on a virus with a fatality rate approaching flu like levels whilst ignoring things like cancer, the economy, people's liberties, and LIVING!
You really are a most extraordinary person. Can't do much living if you're dead.
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You really are a most extraordinary person. Can't do much living if you're dead.
I trust you're fully behind the useless government and useless opposition as the UK moves towards another useless lockdown this week!

Here in Switzerland on the other hand

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200921/cov...trous-lockdown
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Old 21.09.2020, 15:26
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For anyone who does want the facts r.e. Switzerland, this has been published by BAG today, including the numbers of infection and death by age: https://covid-19-schweiz.bagapps.ch/de-1.html

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Old 21.09.2020, 15:39
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That prediction is an utter joke! As will be the imminent UK response!
Thanks, Dr. Clifton. Now I'm really relieved.
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Old 21.09.2020, 15:42
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I've had a close friend who has died back in the UK due to a delay in a Cancer diagnosis thanks to the Covid pandemic, so I have very little time for such totally idiotic opinions and, for want of a better word, LIES like the one given.
Sweet juxtaposition.
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Old 21.09.2020, 15:49
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Thanks, Dr. Clifton. Now I'm really relieved.
It presumes that cases will double every 7 days and then will continue in that way. No account taken for false positive tests, no mention of what's been seen in France and Spain in this "second wave", no sign of exponential growth in recent weeks, no scrutiny and a government with no clue.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/stat...03044521631745
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Old 21.09.2020, 16:08
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That prediction is an utter joke! As will be the imminent UK response!
Latest UK info.

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PHE official warns of increase in all age groups, as almost 60,000 people thought to have had virus in early September
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A joke? I am not laughing
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Old 21.09.2020, 16:11
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It presumes that cases will double every 7 days and then will continue in that way. No account taken for false positive tests, no mention of what's been seen in France and Spain in this "second wave", no sign of exponential growth in recent weeks, no scrutiny and a government with no clue.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/stat...03044521631745
Right! And what would some random Chief Scientific Advisor know about medical issues like viral proliferation that you, TonyClifton on the Internet, don't know? Eh?

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I think you'll find that the article specifically states at least twice that Sir Patrick stressed that this was "not a prediction".

You sound very scared.
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Right! And what would some random Chief Scientific Advisor know about medical issues like viral proliferation that you, TonyClifton on the Internet, don't know? Eh?

By the way,


I think you'll find that the article specifically states at least twice that Sir Patrick stressed that this was "not a prediction".

You sound very scared.
You're right, not a prediction, yet they still published it anyway! EDIT: And all the news outlets are running with it:

Covid-19: UK could face 50,000 cases a day by October without action - Vallance

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54234084

You're asking the wrong question, it's not what some random Chief Scintific Advisor knows about viral proliferation compared to TonyClifton on the internet, rather what he knows compared to epidemiologist Anders Tegnell in Sweden, or Daniel Koch in Switzerland!

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Old 21.09.2020, 16:19
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It presumes that cases will double every 7 days and then will continue in that way. No account taken for false positive tests, no mention of what's been seen in France and Spain in this "second wave", no sign of exponential growth in recent weeks, no scrutiny and a government with no clue.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/stat...03044521631745
Do you read what you post?

From your twitter link, his following tweet.
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Well in strict mathematical terms, yes it is. Exponential growth rates are scary.
This is precisely the problem with diseases like #COVID19. In the first wave deaths were for a time doubling every 3/4 days.
Here's what that chart might look like if we followed last wave.
Scarier!
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Old 21.09.2020, 17:42
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Do you read what you post?

From your twitter link, his following tweet.


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I'm astounded that this needs to be explained when we all went through this at the start of pandemic and saw all these curves.
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Old 21.09.2020, 19:42
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You're right, not a prediction, yet they still published it anyway! EDIT: And all the news outlets are running with it:
Because it's what was said in a major press briefing which interrupted many UK tv channels. We heard it. We saw it being said. Of course they reported it!

"The figures are a warning, not a prediction," Vallance said.
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I trust you're fully behind the useless government and useless opposition as the UK moves towards another useless lockdown this week!

Here in Switzerland on the other hand

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200921/cov...trous-lockdown
I trust that the covid cases are rising and that steps must be taken.

I don't trust our bloody useless self-serving incompetent government to understand which is arse and which is elbow but sadly they are what we've got until more folk wake up.

Why you persist in saying lockdown measures are useless is beyond me. The aim, as it has always been, is to minimise the impact of the virus and the strain on medical services. I'm well aware you think every doc and nurse in the land are sitting on their collective thumbs but they are not. My neighbour is a consultant eye doc. He's been doing more generalised care to help plug gaps.

Yes there are economic concerns. Huge ones. But in my experience people quite like to have their loved ones around as long as possible.
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From your twitter link, his following tweet.


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Don't think he does. He's so desperate to confirm his bias that he neglects stuff like facts.

People are very, very concerned in the UK. Most people I know are being very careful. Obviously there's always the odd dick who thinks the rules don't apply but I'm a big fan of Darwin.
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I trust that the covid cases are rising and that steps must be taken.

I don't trust our bloody useless self-serving incompetent government to understand which is arse and which is elbow but sadly they are what we've got until more folk wake up.

Why you persist in saying lockdown measures are useless is beyond me. The aim, as it has always been, is to minimise the impact of the virus and the strain on medical services. I'm well aware you think every doc and nurse in the land are sitting on their collective thumbs but they are not. My neighbour is a consultant eye doc. He's been doing more generalised care to help plug gaps.

Yes there are economic concerns. Huge ones. But in my experience people quite like to have their loved ones around as long as possible.
You don't trust the government but will agree to whatever steps they put forward to combat the rising number of Covid cases

Let me tell you how things are in Switzerland. There's been rising cases for weeks now, people take the virus seriously however no panic, and no exponential growth. Most cantons still don't have a mask requirement and bars and shops have normal opening hours. Hospitals are not overwhelmed and none Covid medical care is back on track. People also their loved ones here too as well!
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You don't trust the government but will agree to whatever steps they put forward to combat the rising number of Covid cases

Let me tell you how things are in Switzerland. There's been rising cases for weeks now, people take the virus seriously however no panic, and no exponential growth. Most cantons still don't have a mask requirement and bars and shops have normal opening hours. Hospitals are not overwhelmed and none Covid medical care is back on track. People also their loved ones here too as well!
I will do what the medical/scientific experts advise. I wouldn't trust Johnson et al to effectively tie my laces. I think they're a cretinous bunch.

I've got litttle choice to agree - bear in mind I've already been in lockdown twice, one nationawide, another more localised.

I don't live in CH now. I live in the UK with a much larger population.
There isn't panic here, there is simply real practical concern.

Why are you so insistent that the UK is panicking? You seem to relish the prospect of more covid deaths. If you no longer live in the UK, why are you so invested in your ridiculous scaremongering?
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You don't trust the government but will agree to whatever steps they put forward to combat the rising number of Covid cases

Let me tell you how things are in Switzerland. There's been rising cases for weeks now, people take the virus seriously however no panic, and no exponential growth. Most cantons still don't have a mask requirement and bars and shops have normal opening hours. Hospitals are not overwhelmed and none Covid medical care is back on track. People also their loved ones here too as well!

The UK is not Switzerland. Agree on that. But what's the motivation to point at this? Places, people and policies are different, so?
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