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Old 02.03.2020, 08:23
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China are returning to work now
Italian frontalieri as well.

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Wow, this discussion has really taken on a life of its own since I last checked! To return to this point though, I think there is currently a calculation being made across much of the world as to the risk to human life against the economic damage of putting people into lockdown/quarantine. My gut feeling is that many governments are now just of the thinking that the economic damage is more of a risk which is why they are not acting more decisively to stop the spread of the virus.

China are returning to work now, so perhaps the virus isn't that bad? All should become clear in this part of the world in the next week or so!
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Old 02.03.2020, 08:58
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A friend who is a conductor just sent me this, lol

https://www.facebook.com/dbStrings/v...5262533766901/

As for Leukerbad, thanks for your advice. Our accomodation is not at the spa, in fact, so we will go and decide then if we will use either of the spas in the resort. Will go for walks and visit Museums and art galleries- etc. OH is most at risk, and he is not so keen on spas- and as we will have our little dog with us, that can't be left unless in the car (she will howl the place down if we left her in the appartment) - he will be quite happy to opt out. See how things develop. As it is a timeshare exchange and we are insured, the loss if we cancel will be very small.

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Old 02.03.2020, 12:26
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I wonder if schools will close.
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Old 02.03.2020, 12:31
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I wonder if schools will close.
They reopened today in Italy.

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Old 02.03.2020, 12:37
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I think schools will only close if people associated with the school are confirmed to have contracted the virus.
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Old 02.03.2020, 12:38
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I wonder if schools will close.
My students are desperately praying for it lol.

But on a serious note, the Confédération said it’s not considering closing schools. Children are typically not or very mildly sick with the virus. And if they have to stay home working parents will have to ask the grandparents to come babysit, which would put them at risk.
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Old 02.03.2020, 12:39
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A doctoral student at the Institute for Mathematics at the University of Zurich (UZH) has apparently tested positive for the Corona virus. This can be found in an internal mail from UZH, which is available from the NZZ. It would be the first infection with the virus at the University of Zurich. It is unclear whether the case has already been reported by the reference laboratory in Geneva. The 27-year-old lives in Zurich, but comes from northern Italy. The email instructs all people who have been in contact with him to stay at home with flu-like symptoms and to contact a doctor. Further instructions would be given soon. The University of Zurich itself advises the cantonal doctor that only he can confirm cases.
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After a stay in China, Italy, South Korea, Singapore or Iran (all regions of China, excluding Hong Kong and Taiwan), UZH employees, UZH students and external persons are prohibited from UZH events for 14 days after departure from these affected areas to visit or to enter UZH premises. In the event of symptoms of illness (cough, fever, sore throat, shortness of breath, runny nose), you should call the family doctor or the cantonal doctor's phone (phone 0800 33 66 55) to discuss how to proceed.
UZH employees who left China, Italy, South Korea, Singapore or Iran (all regions of China, excluding Hong Kong and Taiwan) less than 14 days ago must stay away from work at UZH and work in the home office if possible , The basis for this is an individual written agreement from the HR department. Affected employees or supervisors should contact the responsible contact persons in the HR department. Professors can contact the department.
Travel to China is not recommended. UZH employees traveling to China must be approved by the dean.
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I wonder if schools will close.
If they do, what realistic childcare options are there for working parents?
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Old 02.03.2020, 12:55
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Re: Coronavirus

WHO is advising people over 60 to avoid crowds, trains, even supermarkets and not to attend routine medical appointments. As a person who recently turned 60 I find this concerning.

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/worl...places-2005411
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Old 02.03.2020, 13:09
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WHO is advising people over 60 to avoid crowds, trains, even supermarkets and not to attend routine medical appointments. As a person who recently turned 60 I find this concerning.

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/worl...places-2005411
Well yes you should be worried, you are the age group most at risk from Coronavirus. Given what we know about it so far you should have found it concerning before this advice was issued.

Even as someone much younger I will be taking some similar precautions over the next couple of months.
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Old 02.03.2020, 13:14
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It is certainly affecting many industries- tourism of course, but also Watchmaking- with both Basel and Geneva fairs cancelled. The cost it massive- not only directly, but for Hôtels, restaurants, shops, Museums, etc, etc. This after a very poor ski season due to weather- and the constant competition with smartwatches, etc.
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Old 02.03.2020, 13:15
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It's a fantastic season for pharamceuticals. I can imagine stocks will be going up in that sector
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Old 02.03.2020, 13:21
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Re: Coronavirus

I see a big difference today in my local COOP .. Loads of empty shelves today.. Although it's all dried stuffs and tins gone, the good fresh food is still plentiful so I'll stick to that :-)

Of course no hand sanitiser anywhere so i filled the kids little bottles with my plentiful supply of home made stuff.
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Old 02.03.2020, 13:28
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Well yes you should be worried, you are the age group most at risk from Coronavirus. Given what we know about it so far you should have found it concerning before this advice was issued.

Even as someone much younger I will be taking some similar precautions over the next couple of months.
Yes obviously I was concerned before this and know that it is the older population who are at risk. I am more concerned about the general welfare of older people simply being told to stay at home as though one's life has no meaning or impact on others. Seems rather fatuous advice to me without some other suggestions as to how people should continue to conduct their lives.

Age 60 is actually not as old as it may seem to younger people and people will still be at work and leading active lifestyles.

I am of course very able to order food online etc. My 87 year old mother, however, may have more difficulty. In her case, she has a large family around her who will take care of her, but what about others who do not?

It just seemed to me to read as a general dismissal of older people. Possibly I am over sensitive to finding myself in this group
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Old 02.03.2020, 13:34
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Yes obviously I was concerned before this and know that it is the older population who are at risk. I am more concerned about the general welfare of older people simply being told to stay at home as though one's life has no meaning or impact on others. Seems rather fatuous advice to me without some other suggestions as to how people should continue to conduct their lives.

Age 60 is actually not as old as it may seem to younger people and people will still be at work and leading active lifestyles.

I am of course very able to order food online etc. My 87 year old mother, however, may have more difficulty. In her case, she has a large family around her who will take care of her, but what about others who do not?

It just seemed to me to read as a general dismissal of older people. Possibly I am over sensitive to finding myself in this group
This advice isn't about your personal pride in perceived as old, it's about minimizing risks to specific older age groups by asking them to minimize exposure to public places with high concentrations of people that increase the chances of them catching COV. I suggest losing the ego and focusing on the the reality and practicality of the situation. You are of course free to ignore or adopt only parts of whatever advice is given.
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Yes obviously I was concerned before this and know that it is the older population who are at risk. I am more concerned about the general welfare of older people simply being told to stay at home as though one's life has no meaning or impact on others. Seems rather fatuous advice to me without some other suggestions as to how people should continue to conduct their lives.

Age 60 is actually not as old as it may seem to younger people and people will still be at work and leading active lifestyles.

I am of course very able to order food online etc. My 87 year old mother, however, may have more difficulty. In her case, she has a large family around her who will take care of her, but what about others who do not?

It just seemed to me to read as a general dismissal of older people. Possibly I am over sensitive to finding myself in this group

60 is the new 49

The greatest risk is to the 80 plus age group isn't it?
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Re: Coronavirus

Doing a follow-up of the situation that we are witnessing here in Switzerland:

The number of cases increased but we are still very far away from the true reality. There are hundreds maybe thousands active cases active in Switzerland but not yet known or documented. The triage that was being made at the hospitals was not very effective because some people were tested only if they had traveled during the last weeks over to specific regions of France and Italy. People that probably were already infected but never went to these infected regions were not properly tested.

Again, there is no reason for alarms if you are under 60 and have a healthy condition. A most severe active virus is the H1N1 which is still an active, very contagious virus that can put any healthy person in the ICU and nobody is talking about it.


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The estimated percentage of deaths of 7% to 9% is a forecast where the actual registered number lies around 3,5%, a number that is higher than the 2,3% registered 1 week ago and therefore the forecast.
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This advice isn't about your personal pride in perceived as old, it's about minimizing risks to specific older age groups by asking them to minimize exposure to public places with high concentrations of people that increase the chances of them catching COV. I suggest losing the ego and focusing on the the reality and practicality of the situation. You are of course free to ignore or adopt only parts of whatever advice is given.
I made a light hearted comment about my age group. Let me disabuse you of your assumption that I have some sort of rampant ego about my age. I do not.

My point was simply that suggesting people over 60 stay at home for some indeterminate period is simply fatuous, as it would be for anyone of any age.
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