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Japan is on level 2 alert (not 3 luckily), which means the virus is already spreading - them being more hygienic than us is not really helping under these circumstances.

As always, people belonging in the older groups or/and having chronic problems should avoid non-essential travelling.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices...onavirus-japan

Ultimately it is their decision, if they feel like they should go, why not...you can tell them your opinion but it's their call.
If it was level 3 they could get their money back at least.
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Old 04.03.2020, 09:18
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First case in St Gallen, a woman who went to Milan "recently". She's at the Cantonal hospital.
Recently in that case was 21st - 23rd February in Milan.

Also the first case in Liechtenstein (which means Liechtenstein already has a higher infection rate than Switzerland). Seems he was infected in Switzerland through contact with one of the known cases.
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Old 04.03.2020, 09:31
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My friend flew fm singapore to london last night...she just msg me and said at heathrow there were no precautions, no temp checks, nothing...i am shocked...
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Old 04.03.2020, 09:46
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If it was level 3 they could get their money back at least.
I know. Let's hope they go and have a good time and will laugh later when thinking they hesitated going.
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Re: Coronavirus

First 3 cases in Schwyz. One man aged 26 and two women aged 46 & 55. One of the three is in a hospital the other two are in quarantine at home. So now it's 61 cases total.
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Hosting the 'elderly' for their monthly luncheon + entertainment tomorrow. Bingo, oh the joy Not cancelled by the Care Home or the organisers. Will everyone be shaking hands and kissing as per normal? I can't imagine it to be any different.
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Old 04.03.2020, 10:35
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Despite all of the posters and TV campaigns etc ..

Hand shaking and kissing seems to be going on as normal around these parts.
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Old 04.03.2020, 11:17
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Re: Coronavirus

I'm prepared to disinfect more often now with rubbing alcohol and asked my friends who work in a lab how it's done properly.

So they sent me the following, it's quite interesting, please correct me if it's wrong:

70% percent of alcohol is ideal to a stronger solution. Pure alcohol coagulates protein in contact. Suppose the pure alcohol is poured over a single celled organism. The alcohol will go through the cell wall of the organism in all direction, coagulating the protein just inside the cell wall. The ring of the coagulated protein would then stop the alcohol from penetrating farther from the cell, and no more coagulation would take place. At this time the cell would become inactive but not dead. Under the favorable conditions the cell would then begin to function. If 70 percent of alcohol is poured to a single celled organism, the diluted alcohol also coagulates the protein, but at a slower rate, so that it penetrates all the way through the cell before coagulation can block it. Then the entire cell is coagulated and the organism dies.

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I bought some 99.5% isopropylalkohol, I guess I'll mix it 7:3 then. Tying up my hair now!
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Old 04.03.2020, 13:55
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Re: Coronavirus

They had a another live press-conference at 13:30 and current numbers are nothing to be happy about.

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...irus--18500160

"Wir haben 54 bestätigte Fälle und 39 Fälle, die von einem Erstlabor positiv getestet wurden."

Given that the reference lab has not cleared anybody previously confirmed by first tests yet and hospitals afaik do a double test before sending a sample to the reference lab It is safe to say we now have 93 cases in Switzerland.

They also tested another 2300 persons whom tested negative.

Switzerland sort of has the luck that most infected people are not amongst the elderly, but this can unfortunately change quickly. Downside is that the young people are the most mobile and thus the most likely to spread the virus to new places. Matter of days I'd say before we get new rulings in the country as for meet-ups and such that will make the current ones look like fun.
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Old 04.03.2020, 14:07
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Re: Coronavirus

Expect very, very dry hands from disinfecting with alcohol. Not sure very dry skin is not very receptive to anything it shouldn't?

I was wondering about this quarantine thing in blocks of flats. I can already see our "horror-neighbours in every respect" being quarantined but running up and down the stairs to their craft-room ('cause ain't it fun to have so much time to terrorize the neighbours with noise not to be made in living quarters) as well as the laundry room where - no doubt - they will store and wash their sneezed and coughed in laundry, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to surpress their manic urge to come down and empty the mailbox 6-10 times a day (and each family member) even though the postman provably only comes by once a day and surprisingly consistent at the same time.

Naaa, this quarantine idea is something for people with single-family-houses. Detached if possible.

So it might be better, the neighbour goes to work. go on, groan. LOL.
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Re: Coronavirus

To put it in perspective, 194 per 100000 residents of Switzerland had a regular flu in week 9.

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home...t-schweiz.html
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Old 04.03.2020, 14:09
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They had a another live press-conference at 13:30 and current numbers are nothing to be happy about.

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...irus--18500160

"Wir haben 54 bestätigte Fälle und 39 Fälle, die von einem Erstlabor positiv getestet wurden."

Given that the reference lab has not cleared anybody previously confirmed by first tests yet and hospitals afaik do a double test before sending a sample to the reference lab It is safe to say we now have 93 cases in Switzerland.

They also tested another 2300 persons whom tested negative.

Switzerland sort of has the luck that most infected people are not amongst the elderly, but this can unfortunately change quickly. Downside is that the young people are the most mobile and thus the most likely to spread the virus to new places.
That's why I am surprised schools aren't closed.
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Old 04.03.2020, 14:11
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Re: Coronavirus

Italy is going to close all schools and universities nationwide for at least the next two weeks.
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They had a another live press-conference at 13:30 and current numbers are nothing to be happy about.

https://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/st...irus--18500160

"Wir haben 54 bestätigte Fälle und 39 Fälle, die von einem Erstlabor positiv getestet wurden."

Given that the reference lab has not cleared anybody previously confirmed by first tests yet and hospitals afaik do a double test before sending a sample to the reference lab It is safe to say we now have 93 cases in Switzerland.

They also tested another 2300 persons whom tested negative.

Switzerland sort of has the luck that most infected people are not amongst the elderly, but this can unfortunately change quickly.
At least 2301 now, as I had to be tested this morning. Luckily I just have a chest infection but the symptoms of a fever, racking cough and aches had my Dr worried. The nurses at my surgery were so pleased I tested negative, they almost kissed me, but there are big signs up everywhere forbidding it.
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Expect very, very dry hands from disinfecting with alcohol. Not sure very dry skin is not very receptive to anything it shouldn't?

I was wondering about this quarantine thing in blocks of flats. I can already see our "horror-neighbours in every respect" being quarantined but running up and down the stairs to their craft-room ('cause ain't it fun to have so much time to terrorize the neighbours with noise not to be made in living quarters) as well as the laundry room where - no doubt - they will store and wash their sneezed and coughed in laundry, I'm sure they wouldn't be able to surpress their manic urge to come down and empty the mailbox 6-10 times a day (and each family member) even though the postman provably only comes by once a day and surprisingly consistent at the same time.

Naaa, this quarantine idea is something for people with single-family-houses. Detached if possible.

So it might be better, the neighbour goes to work. go on, groan. LOL.
The 70% alcohol solution I spray on door handles, keys, wiping keyboard and phones, lift buttons (doing that for my neighbours too)... not for my hands, it's no good to dry up the hands too much, regular soap with correct scrubbing method is enough for hands...

Oh, also gonna wipe down the washing machine before doing my laundry, and do 60 degrees...(not sure if that's enough)
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That's why I am surprised schools aren't closed.
Won't be long before this is going to happen, our daycare handles over 200 Children in our location and has 8 other locations with people travelling amongst them (yes it is huge), I wonder when we'll get a call that they'll close for the time being.
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At least 2301 now, as I had to be tested this morning. Luckily I just have a chest infection but the symptoms of a fever, racking cough and aches had my Dr worried. The nurses at my surgery were so pleased I tested negative, they almost kissed me, but there are big signs up everywhere forbidding it.
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Old 04.03.2020, 14:19
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To put it in perspective, 194 per 100000 residents of Switzerland had a regular flu in week 9.

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/de/home...t-schweiz.html
The fear is not about what it is now, the fear is about what it can become. With a spread which is as easily or even easier than the flu since the virus has a bigger chance of nestling in a body it enters due to it's more effective technics, and a 20% rate of (based on the discovered cases in China, Italy and South-Korea) people who need to be hospitalised of which 6% even needs IC the potential for a huge disaster is enormous. Also people say "oh in summer it will go to sleep" yes it might, and that is where the even biggest risk is, that it during summer can just keep on spreading without us noticing only to become widespread and active in autumn putting our lifestyle and economy on a full halt. The Spanish flu was deadly during it's 1st winter, but the real big numbers of tens of million dying came after summer when the by then widespread Spanish flu become active again. So either we tackle this soon or we lost the war.
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Expect very, very dry hands from disinfecting with alcohol. Not sure very dry skin is not very receptive to anything it shouldn't?
I used some of the Dettol wipes and dry skin was almost immediate...and uncomfortable. It's a problem worth mentioning as dry skin is more prone to infection and complications. Dexeryl creme counteracted with good results though.

Bepanthen also makes several products and other "baby" type cremes work and seem to be plentiful. Crabtree's Gardners moisturizers have also been very good for me but can be pricey in large quantity.

Is there anything like a Bag Balm or Udder Creme readily available from ag supply or similar?

There is some 100% lanolin breastfeeding creme which might also be good. I haven't needed to try so far.
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Expect very, very dry hands from disinfecting with alcohol. Not sure very dry skin is not very receptive to anything it shouldn't?
Use vaseline or another skin creme after sterilising, all factory's I've worked where one sterilises hands dozens of times a day have hand protection creme holders next to the sterilising stuff to avoid us indeed getting ed up skin.
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