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Arrived today by air in Zürich. We had a potential Corona patient. Flight was full. They let him use two different toilets, changed his seat to the last row (still with people next/near him)

I did sit in the row behind him (on his original seat, for about 1hr) so I would get the full "treatment" had the Corona been confirmed.

On arrival in Zürich, dozens of Kantonspolizei, generic airport vehicles and 3 ambulances stood ready.

Of course a remote stand. Eventually, a heavily-protected doctor entered the aircraft. Since he was now sitting in the last row, had to go through the whole aircraft (on departure, we borded from both front and rear entry, seems Zürich wasn't able to provide a rear entry door.. ), then back out, then back in, then back out, then back in, then back out. 3 or 4 times. Situation stayed relatively calm (mind you, full A321, with kids, aircon off and it getting rather warm inside) but people started feeling hot.

After almost an hour, they told us "tested negative", but then that anyone having been +/- 2 rows of both his initial seat as well as his last-row seat will have to stay. Then they changed their mind to "fill out cards". Then they just let everyone go. Into a bus. Yes, they tried squeezing the whole A321 into a single Cobus 3000. After about 2/3rds squeezed into that thing (maybe just 1/2, it was crazily tight at the point) they got the idea that squeezing in 200 people into a single bus won't work, closed doors, kept us waiting like that for another 10 minutes.. till another bus arrived.

In short, not impressed at all with the show they did there. Had there been a real Corona case, or actually should there have been - I don't trust their result after 1hr to be "100% guaranteed correct" - you can literally guarantee half the aircraft having it now.

That's some Swiss experience I'd like not to repeat myself. What a bunch of amateurs.
So why was he a potential Corona patient? Symptoms?

https://www.travelnews.ch/flug/15141...usgeloest.html

Sounds like mass hysteria to me!
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Old 04.03.2020, 21:29
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Sounds like mass hysteria to me!
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Kinda feels like we're just about to hit a major explosion of cases in Europe.. Exponential.
Some people don’t think exponential math be like it is but it do.
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Old 04.03.2020, 21:56
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I think my graduation ceremony might get cancelled. I don't mind but trying to explain it to the little one is a b.
It will just be postponed surely?

Cambridge exam centres are being requested to vet candidates the upcoming exams. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did end up cancelling some of them.
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It will just be postponed surely?

Cambridge exam centres are being requested to vet candidates the upcoming exams. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did end up cancelling some of them.
It's going to be a potential nightmare for exams season.
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Old 04.03.2020, 22:33
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Update:- more things closed so they are postponing until next year, same time, same trip, but hopefully with more open things and less pandemic/panic
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Old 04.03.2020, 22:47
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Update:- more things closed so they are postponing until next year, same time, same trip, but hopefully with more open things and less pandemic/panic
That sounds like a good idea. I do remember reading that the cherry blossom festivals in Japan have been cancelled due to the virus. But more importantly, it's better to be safe than sorry, for your parents... and to wait and go when the threat of risking their health isn't an issue. I'm sure they'll end up having a much better time because of it, without having to worry about the virus, etc.
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Arrived today by air in Zürich. We had a potential Corona patient. Flight was full. They let him use two different toilets, changed his seat to the last row (still with people next/near him)

I did sit in the row behind him (on his original seat, for about 1hr) so I would get the full "treatment" had the Corona been confirmed.
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Why was he treated as a potential Corona patient and made such fuss about? Did you find out? The whole episode seems weird and very unprofessional indeed.
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Under-reported in Italy/Europe surely not, maybe under-diagnosed.
We have no idea of just how many are asymptomatic... Therein lies the conundrum regarding the stats at present. Why does this virus afflict few children? Perhaps they are affected but their immune systems are resilient? That said, they still are carriers and can spread the virus?

I think many are asymptomatic and that is why this virus has spread so rapidly. Just my thoughts ....
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Re: Coronavirus

I'm moving to Geneva next week for work, reading the posts here really freaks me out.

What really worries me is the lack of supplies, as I won't be able to stock up anything until I arrive in Geneva, at when the supermarket could be sold out by panic shoppers.

I don't have medical insurance yet as I need a long term contract first, then permit B. In this case if I get the coronavirus before the medical insurance start, do I have to pay for everything?
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Why was he treated as a potential Corona patient and made such fuss about? Did you find out? The whole episode seems weird and very unprofessional indeed.
I heard him coughing quite heavily and continuously while he was sitting nearby, he appeared to have fever (extremely red head from what I could spot)

Not sure what his Nationality was, from his look (and his English) he appeared to be from the Middle East - if he was Iranian, then I'd understand the panic quite a bit more, but it wasn't disclosed to us.

He was travelling alone, and the crew had some issues in understanding him.

In short, he should never have been allowed to travel..

We just had the story of the two drunk British girls (when is there ever a story with sober British girls? ) flying from Singapore to London, and now the positive-tested passenger who flew GVA-ZRH on the 1st of March, so I say they should definitely be aware of pax acting up "weird" or looking "sick" and test them BEFORE letting them on board, or if not possible in time, refuse them to fly, check them, and only when found out to be negative, let in.

I don't want to think what could happen in the next days should that passenger having been found out to be positive in retroperspective, I doubt the test can be so fast fully accurately, plenty of "misfoundings" I read.
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I'm moving to Geneva next week for work, reading the posts here really freaks me out.

What really worries me is the lack of supplies, as I won't be able to stock up anything until I arrive in Geneva, at when the supermarket could be sold out by panic shoppers.

I don't have medical insurance yet as I need a long term contract first, then permit B. In this case if I get the coronavirus before the medical insurance start, do I have to pay for everything?
Supermarkets might be out of a few items, but certainly no crisis yet to get food. We're far, very far, from that point.

You're moving to Switzerland without a job, hoping to find one "on the go"? In the current panic climate? Sorry to say so, but that's pure bonkers. If you've secured a temporary job, definitely you'll need some kind of insurance to be living here. Unless that temp job is REALLY great and you could always fall back to your home country with ease.

And DEFINITELY and ABSOLUTELY get medical insurance. You know there are other sicknesses or accidents that could happen (and are much more realistic than getting Corona), right? You don't want to pony up tenthousands of CHF, for sure not. Don't ever travel without health insurance, anywhere.
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Old 05.03.2020, 00:30
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Arrived today by air in Zürich. We had a potential Corona patient. Flight was full. They let him use two different toilets, changed his seat to the last row (still with people next/near him)

I did sit in the row behind him (on his original seat, for about 1hr) so I would get the full "treatment" had the Corona been confirmed.

On arrival in Zürich, dozens of Kantonspolizei, generic airport vehicles and 3 ambulances stood ready.

Of course a remote stand. Eventually, a heavily-protected doctor entered the aircraft. Since he was now sitting in the last row, had to go through the whole aircraft (on departure, we borded from both front and rear entry, seems Zürich wasn't able to provide a rear entry door.. ), then back out, then back in, then back out, then back in, then back out. 3 or 4 times. Situation stayed relatively calm (mind you, full A321, with kids, aircon off and it getting rather warm inside) but people started feeling hot.

After almost an hour, they told us "tested negative", but then that anyone having been +/- 2 rows of both his initial seat as well as his last-row seat will have to stay. Then they changed their mind to "fill out cards". Then they just let everyone go. Into a bus. Yes, they tried squeezing the whole A321 into a single Cobus 3000. After about 2/3rds squeezed into that thing (maybe just 1/2, it was crazily tight at the point) they got the idea that squeezing in 200 people into a single bus won't work, closed doors, kept us waiting like that for another 10 minutes.. till another bus arrived.

In short, not impressed at all with the show they did there. Had there been a real Corona case, or actually should there have been - I don't trust their result after 1hr to be "100% guaranteed correct" - you can literally guarantee half the aircraft having it now.

That's some Swiss experience I'd like not to repeat myself. What a bunch of amateurs.

Thanks for sharing your story, where was the plane coming from?

Also i agree with whay you said above -the test results from a covid19 swab is at least minimum 3-6 hours. So unless they decided his symptoms were not a confirmation then after one hour seems very fast. But i guess that is why they took down passenger details for any follow up. Hopefully it was a negative case then
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Kinda feels like we're just about to hit a major explosion of cases in Europe.. Exponential.

Wether China were reporting correctly or not, they're radical containment methods have probably worked ..
Here in Europe it feels pretty half hearted, a bit too little, too late.. Travel is still largely unrestricted, people seem quite laid back still.. Cancelling big events and closing schools is fine but many of these people are likely already infected and largely free to wander and travel.
What are all these Italian school kids gonna do for two weeks? Stay home??

A bit impossible to restrict travels to and from Italy here and for good reasons....but if you're talking about Europe in general, some countries imposed 14 days of quarantine at domicile to people coming from the worst affected areas or more affected countries. I bet some people here find these measures horrific and discriminatory. So we're discussing things from this level.
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Old 05.03.2020, 02:45
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I'm not sure why there are two CoV threads but i will post this in both as there seem to be alot of questions I found this info useful:



Travel during an evolving epidemic poses a few challenges. Here are a few things to consider:
  1. What are the policies/advisories in my country of Origin? - There may be specific places that you travel to that are restricted or advised against going to... there may be quarantine or self-isolation measures enacted when you return.
  2. What are the policies/advisories in the destination country?
  3. What are the policies/advisories in any points of contact along the way?
  4. Get bullet proof travel insurance - as this is an evolving epidemic, and rules can (and will) change in real time.
  5. How do I protect myself? The standard rules apply - this is a respiratory virus and it can land on surfaces. It is important to have impeccable hand hygiene (e.g. with alcohol hand sanitizer) given that planes and airports have lots of people in confined spaces and viruses can be transmitted in such settings. It is also important to be mindful to not touch your face…. it is incredible how frequently this is done. Also, masks do not protect uninfected people from getting these types of viruses, but if people are sick, they may prevent that person from transmitting. source Dr. Isaac Bogoch (Infectious Diseases physician and scientist Uni Toronto)
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Old 05.03.2020, 03:25
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I don't know why Brazilian authorities couldn't forbid Carnival celebrations, in due to in this event have be more 2 million people in each region of this country to celebrate it.

Congratulations, Switzerland! Do not permit the automobile expo in Geneva! That's a correct and responsable attitude towards the citizens in this moment so delicate.
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Supermarkets might be out of a few items, but certainly no crisis yet to get food. We're far, very far, from that point.

You're moving to Switzerland without a job, hoping to find one "on the go"? In the current panic climate? Sorry to say so, but that's pure bonkers. If you've secured a temporary job, definitely you'll need some kind of insurance to be living here. Unless that temp job is REALLY great and you could always fall back to your home country with ease.

And DEFINITELY and ABSOLUTELY get medical insurance. You know there are other sicknesses or accidents that could happen (and are much more realistic than getting Corona), right? You don't want to pony up tenthousands of CHF, for sure not. Don't ever travel without health insurance, anywhere.
Thanks for the comforting news about supermarket.

I move for a permanent job, had to reject a really amazing offer at my home country which increase the opportunity cost, otherwise i won't travel at this time, no way!

My company provide their insurance, but i need a resident permit to get it, which requires a long term rental contract which i dont have, so it will be at least another month till i get it. Unless there's a medical insurance that I can get without the permit?
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Thanks for the comforting news about supermarket.

I move for a permanent job, had to reject a really amazing offer at my home country which increase the opportunity cost, otherwise i won't travel at this time, no way!

My company provide their insurance, but i need a resident permit to get it, which requires a long term rental contract which i dont have, so it will be at least another month till i get it. Unless there's a medical insurance that I can get without the permit?
You will have medical insurance back dated to the day you arrived. Assuming you are EU the residents permit won't be an issue.
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It IS.

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Lets hope they also cancel the Street Parade. Not just because of Corona virus but there is also the risk of the Dancing Mania Plague of the middle ages showing its ugly head again!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania

Some scholars even say the Street Parade had its roots in this Middle Ages plague
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