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Its a disgrace that there is no hand antiseptic around and that the pharmacies dont make it themselves for distribution.
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Old 06.03.2020, 21:11
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Its a disgrace that there is no hand antiseptic around and that the pharmacies dont make it themselves for distribution.
Some do.
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Old 06.03.2020, 21:50
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Re: Coronavirus

This headline puts things into perspective, resistance seems futile

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Coronavirus may infect up to 70% of world's population, expert warns

Boston — The coronavirus death toll now tops 3,000 worldwide, with nearly 90,000 cases. But even those numbers are nothing compared to what could happen in the months ahead.

CBS News spoke to one of the country's top experts on viruses, Marc Lipsitch from Harvard University, who cautions that 40-70% of the world's population will become infected — and from that number, 1% of people who get symptoms from COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, could die. The virus can spread rapidly and people can transmit it before they know they are infected.
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Old 06.03.2020, 22:12
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Re: Coronavirus

From the article linked by Castro:
Lipsitch: This is not an existential threat. This is, qualitatively, it's very much like a bad pandemic of influenza, which we experienced arguably twice or three times in the 20th Century. It's worse than the one that we experienced in 2009. But none of those brought civilization close to its knees. They made things awful for a while.

Axelrod: And this won't either?

Lipsitch: And this will not either.
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Old 06.03.2020, 22:36
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...I think someone mentioned this earlier - Is there a site showing how many people have been tested and found to be negative compared to positive? I'm not talking about those that tested negative at first only to test positive later.
Finally read one article today out of Colorado, which has two confirmed cases. The official quoted said they had tested 100 people and only those two were positive. The other 98 were negative.

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Hopefully for at least 20 seconds.
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Old 06.03.2020, 23:22
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It appears the numbers of those infected are approaching 100,000.

That would be 0.0013% of the world’s population. And most of those (96+%) survived.

Scary!
How wrong do you have to be on these figures? of the 101,906 infected, 56,123 recovered and 3,465 died. That's not 96%+, that's (56213/(3465+56123))*100=94.185% so 5.815% death rate, which is nothing to sneeze at, especially this early in. We'll see at the end of the year just how clever these snide little remarks appear to be.

The Swiss government is now appealing to the retirement age population to reduce social interactions to a minimum, not use public transport or go shopping at rush hours, and to cancel family events, visiting people in hospitals or nursing homes, etc. After all, this disease affects them most, especially if they have a chronic disease. In fact they should stay home as much as possible. How this is going to work with all those grandparents babysitting their grandchildren on weekdays I'm not sure.

The Swiss Army is providing 2 ambulances + crews to Tessin, and up to 800 troops will be provided to assist civilian authorities, for three weeks. Any longer than that will need Parliament authorisation. The beginning of exceptional measures?

Oh and Italy had another 49 deaths over the last 24 hours, bringing their number to 197. But I guess this is nothing to worry about
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Old 07.03.2020, 00:00
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Re: Coronavirus

Seems patients in Switzerland with mild symptoms will not be tested anymore (no capacity)


translated fm DE :

The corona virus is also spreading rapidly in Switzerland. The number of confirmed infections rose to over 200 on Friday. Switzerland is facing an epidemic wave, said Daniel Koch of the Federal Office of Public Health (BAG) on Friday before the media. And you will increasingly lose control over the number of people infected. Because around 80 percent of patients in whom the disease takes a mild course - they will be hardly tested anymore in the future. Those who have symptoms of flu or a cold, including cough or fever, should no longer report to the hospitals, but should stay at home, said Koch, head of the communicable diseases department at the BAG.

Health ministers Alain Berset and Koch appealed to the population not to storm the emergency department at the weekend if there were mild symptoms of illness. "Because of the increasing number of cases, healthcare facilities are under great pressure," said Berset. The goal must now be to keep the hospital capacities free for people with severe illness. According to Koch, there are currently corona patients in the hospitals who have been hospitalized for isolation but do not need hospital care. For reasons of capacity, the hospitals could no longer accept such patients.
However, if corona patients with a mild course are no longer identified as such, relatives are at risk of becoming infected. "Most of the transmissions are already taking place at home," says Koch. However, not everyone who had contact with corona patients was infected. Nevertheless, the risk that relatives of the sick spread the virus when they go to work increases. And according to Koch, they should do this as long as they do not show any symptoms of illness. The risk of infection is relatively small in these cases.

Medical certificate after five days

The BAG continues to keep a certain control over the distribution in Switzerland. Corona infections are now recorded in the Sentinella reporting system, which is used to record seasonal flu. This system is an extrapolation from tested cases.

In order to relieve the health system, employers should only request a medical certificate from the fifth day of absence. And companies should give their employees flexible working hours so that they no longer have to use public transport at peak times. Less densely populated trains reduced the risk of infection.

The federal government is now concentrating primarily on protecting the vulnerable population: people over 65 and generally on those with previous illnesses such as cardiovascular and respiratory complaints, immune deficiency, diabetes or high blood pressure. Because they are at risk of serious or critical illnesses, which require hospital care or even an admission to the intensive care unit. Berset and Koch appealed for solidarity with the risk groups. Therefore, hygiene rules should be adhered to and social distancing practiced. "We have to give special protection to vulnerable groups," said Berset. Because with a new virus like the Sars-CoV-2 there is no immunity and no vaccine yet.


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Re: Coronavirus

Reads to me like a capitulation and acknowledgement that this virus will stick with us like the flu. We're just at the start in Switzerland and already lost. Thinking that people will voluntarily quarantine themselves in an efficient way is an illusion, all it takes is one infected youngster sitting in the bus next to an elderly person on the way to her carecenter to unleash another shitstorm. I'm amazed how little prepared we are, was all we did with China just watch it and think "nah, not our problem" incompetent shit.
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Old 07.03.2020, 04:07
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Re: Coronavirus

A dentist in the Zurich University's School of Dentistry (?) (my translation for Zahnmedizinisches Zentrum), has tested positiv for corona, so they've closed down the whole centre and the staff are in quarantine.
https://www.gmx.ch/magazine/panorama...-lahm-34493686
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Re: Coronavirus

This is my last post. My posts have been edited by people that have no medical background, training or experience just to control information that is shared by people on the field.
I will leave this region on an unpaid leave since this pandemic is already infecting a lot of medical staff.
Wish everyone all the best.
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Old 07.03.2020, 09:01
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Re: Coronavirus

Berset. Such an idiot. Says people should not shake hands then when he leaves he shakes her hand. What a dummie!!

https://www.telezueri.ch/news/bundes...hmen-136569029
Er muss gehen! The arrogant arse hole
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Old 07.03.2020, 09:08
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Reads to me like a capitulation and acknowledgement that this virus will stick with us like the flu. We're just at the start in Switzerland and already lost. Thinking that people will voluntarily quarantine themselves in an efficient way is an illusion, all it takes is one infected youngster sitting in the bus next to an elderly person on the way to her carecenter to unleash another shitstorm. I'm amazed how little prepared we are, was all we did with China just watch it and think "nah, not our problem" incompetent shit.

You hit on many points. I used to complain Singapore was too compliant, very rigid with rules etc but for once I am grateful for that during this CoV period...SG's model cannot be translated exactly to other countries unfortunately.


I discussed this with swiss family and friends, it will be difficult to control yes but not impossible. I think the main reason it was successfully maintained here was trust and no shame - if people feel that they will be criticised for maybe having CoV they will hide it, spread it and not go to be checked for it.

Here we had ads daily informing us what to do if we felt we had the symptoms (newspaper, social media, on the public transport, you name it.) It was all done very clearly and effectively and it encouraged people to go to clinics (even to the point of providing subsidised fees. very cheap for elderly, permanent residents and citizens)


So once Switzerland can get over the stigma of having this disease and the fear/ panic of it, then is the time when things will improve...


(gee i sound like a PR for SG now...lol)
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Old 07.03.2020, 09:08
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This is my last post. My posts have been edited by people that have no medical background, training or experience just to control information that is shared by people on the field.
I will leave this region on an unpaid leave since this pandemic is already infecting a lot of medical staff.
Wish everyone all the best.
You say you are a medical doctor. And you are now leaving because of Corona? Wow, that takes helping people to another level....


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Old 07.03.2020, 09:14
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Reads to me like a capitulation and acknowledgement that this virus will stick with us like the flu. We're just at the start in Switzerland and already lost. Thinking that people will voluntarily quarantine themselves in an efficient way is an illusion, all it takes is one infected youngster sitting in the bus next to an elderly person on the way to her carecenter to unleash another shitstorm. I'm amazed how little prepared we are, was all we did with China just watch it and think "nah, not our problem" incompetent shit.
You should set an example and barricade yourself in your cellar
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Old 07.03.2020, 09:14
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Re: Coronavirus

Running the numbers regarding covid-19 impact on healthcare systems:


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Old 07.03.2020, 09:15
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This is my last post. My posts have been edited by people that have no medical background, training or experience just to control information that is being shared by people on the field.
I will leave this region on an unpaid leave since this pandemic is already infecting a lot of medical staff.
Wish everyone all the best.
Perhaps you could explain why your advice is different from the official advice - and is yours your own or that of the hospital in which you work?

Additionally, I appreciate that English may not be your first language but your advice was totally ambiguous, which, with the current health emergency, pretty irresponsible.

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We are advising anyone who has frequent contact with elderly people that have slight flew like symptoms to come to the hospital and get tested.
Is it when the elderly people have flu-like symptoms that one should go to hospital or when one has them oneself?

Of course the official advice is to stay at home and only contact the hospital if the symptoms become very severe with difficulty breathing, for example.
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Seems patients in Switzerland with mild symptoms will not be tested anymore (no capacity)

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/
Holy f###, so is it everyone to look after themselves for now on and since the virus does not stop because incompetence and lack of leadership of these %%%, what do we do if/when all intensive care units will be full? Are we going to fight who gets the last available bed in hospital? is it given to one who pays most or simply first come first served? Or am I missing something on this article? If people are not tested and it takes weeks to get better (not to contaminate other people), do these ##### really expect companies will allow people to stay 3 weeks at home without medical certificate and test results?
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Holy f###, so its everyone to look after themselves for now on and since the virus does not stop because incompetence and lack of leadership of these %%%, what do we do if/when all intensive care units will be full? Are we going to fight who gets the last available bed in hospital? is it given to one who pays most or simply first come first served? Or am I missing something on this article. If people are not tested and it takes weeks to get better (not to contaminate other people), do these ##### really expect companies will allow people to stay 3 weeks at home without medical certificate and test results?
The Swiss are very quickly on their limits.
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Old 07.03.2020, 09:32
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Re: Coronavirus

Doesn't help much unfortunately that Switzerland tries to contain Covid 19 when Sweden e.g. does absolutely nothing. They have happily decided to go ahead with their local Eurovision Song contest today with expected 50'000 to 60'000 spectators in an indoor arena.

I just canceled a business trip up there for next week. Not for fear of the disease but for fear of getting stuck up there. The country is going to colaps within days as they have no where near the infrastructure required to handle a pandemic.
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