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Re: Coronavirus

I personally find it very sad that you all take such a light view on the situation. Luckily, most people in Switzerland view it with clear and rational thinking.

Let’s see how your fun starts when the NHS starts to deal with it...
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If it all runs out of hand we'll be going into worst case scenario and Triage will be introduced, the system that has been in use for centuries to decide who gets help and who doesn't simply based on your statistical changes.

Imagine a big tent upfront of the hospital with one entry and a few exits.

Exit 1: You'll be treated since we think you have good chance and we have an open spot.
Exit 2: Go home and hope for the best.
Exit 3: Sorry, here are some painkillers and you can die over there.
Yes and this would also mean you have to get army to the streets (assuming they would still follow orders) and whole society would go to massive chaos as think its one of most basic instincts to survive.

What I just fail to understand is that since everyone can see situation is getting much worse day by day and current measures have failed completely, why arent we taking the heavy measures now (EG stop public transport and for god sake stop the travel to other countries even for next 6 months if needed) instead of allowing the situation to get so bad, these measures just have to be taken. Or are we just hoping summer will make the virus disappear and/or there will be vaccination coming up in next 4-6 months.
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What I just fail to understand is that since everyone can see situation is getting much worse day by day and current measures have failed completely, why arent we taking the heavy measures now (EG stop public transport and for god sake stop the travel to other countries even for next 6 months if needed) instead of allowing the situation to get so bad, these measures just have to be taken. Or are we just hoping summer will make the virus disappear and/or there will be vaccination coming up in next 4-6 months.
Because it would be to expensive.
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Because it would be to expensive.
But on the other hand the Global climate change activists would be cock-a-hoop if flights were grounded and
reminds me of the last time airplanes were grounded in Europe, due the volcanic ash cloud that spread
across the continent from Iceland back in April 2010.
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Old 07.03.2020, 16:04
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Here we go again... (why do people stil board these things?)

Cruiseship "Grand Princess" with 3533 people on board which is currently in front of the coast of San Fransisco has just received the results of 46 tests showing that at least 19 Employees and 2 passengers have been infected.

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But on the other hand the Global climate change activists would be cock-a-hoop if flights were grounded and
reminds me of the last time airplanes were grounded in Europe, due the volcanic ash cloud that spread
across the continent from Iceland back in April 2010.
Yep, but that was an easy "choice" since due to technical reasons it simply was not possible to fly.
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Old 07.03.2020, 16:37
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Re: Coronavirus

It would be good from a statistical point of view to have every suspected case tested and the results recorded.

From a medical point of view, I can understand the play it safe approach and say everybody with any symptoms should self-quarantine for two weeks.
I can also understand saying there is no point in testing mild cases since there is no medical cure so conserving scarce resources.
I read somewhere, maybe in France, that people should only contact medical authorities after they had a fever for more than three days; it seems like a reasonable rule of thumb.

BTW, I keep reading that people with pre-conditions, like high blood pressure, are at risk. Most people I know with high blood pressure take daily medicine so keeping the pressure low.
So are they saying taking blood pressure medicine is a waste of time? Or are they saying the people with high blood pressure who do not take any medicine are the only ones at risk?
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Re: Coronavirus

As soon as those nice warm spring days come this corona thing will vanish in the past
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Old 07.03.2020, 16:40
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BTW, I keep reading that people with pre-conditions, like high blood pressure, are at risk. Most people I know with high blood pressure take daily medicine so keeping the pressure low.
So are they saying taking blood pressure medicine is a waste of time? Or are they saying the people with high blood pressure who do not take any medicine are the only ones at risk?
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Old 07.03.2020, 16:41
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As soon as those nice warm spring days come this corona thing will vanish in the past
Except in the Southern hemisphere which will be cooling down ready to store the virus over our summer.
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As soon as those nice warm spring days come this corona thing will vanish in the past
Yeah right, only to spread for some months hardly noticed to have a great blast in Autumn. That is if it even would go less active in summer.
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BTW, I keep reading that people with pre-conditions, like high blood pressure, are at risk. Most people I know with high blood pressure take daily medicine so keeping the pressure low.
So are they saying taking blood pressure medicine is a waste of time? Or are they saying the people with high blood pressure who do not take any medicine are the only ones at risk?
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I’m pretty sure that what they mean is that your risk is higher if you have uncontrolled high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. In fact, I saw something several days ago that mentioned higher risk if your blood glucose is not well controlled.

I believe this is because high blood pressure, high blood glucose makes you more vulnerable to kidney and heart problems, high glucose makes you more susceptible to infection, all of which make it more difficult for you to fight off the virus.
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Old 07.03.2020, 17:01
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Re: Coronavirus

Meanwhile, still a lot of people not covering their mouths while coughing on public transport. I really don't understand.
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Old 07.03.2020, 17:07
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I personally find it very sad that you all take such a light view on the situation. Luckily, most people in Switzerland view it with clear and rational thinking.

Let’s see how your fun starts when the NHS starts to deal with it...
I wouldn't say it's a light view or fun, but that a bit of perspective is needed.

Yes, this thing is spreading rapidly and yes, it can kill. At the same time, the vast majority of people have mild symptoms or none at all. We should take it seriously but the levels of panic are a bit much.

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I'm not sure measures have failed completely, but some people are not taking it seriously - being told to stay home but still going out shopping or to parties etc. and simply not going to work.

Even the sneezing recommendations don't make much sense. Sneeze into your elbow. Don't shake hands, do an elbow bump. Ooookay. Or, sneeze into a tissue - which still gets the germs on your hands - and toss the tissue but go ahead and touch the door handle, etc.
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Re: Coronavirus

"some people are not taking it seriously". Namely Berset who says in an interview one should not shake hands and 10 seconds later shakes the hand of the person next to him!

Some example he is. Probably gets driven to work and has a cellar full of face masks and antiseptic fluid!

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Hope they built those new hospitals better than this.

"About 70 people have been trapped after a hotel being used as a coronavirus quarantine facility in the Chinese city of Quanzhou collapsed.

About 35 people have been pulled from the rubble of the five-storey Xinjia Hotel, officials say.

Videos posted online show emergency workers combing through the building's wreckage in the southern province of Fujian.

It is not clear what caused the collapse or if anyone has died."

"The hotel reportedly opened in 2018 and had 80 guest rooms."

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Old 07.03.2020, 18:16
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One can only hope that Italy is not some sort of forecast of what is here yet to come. Damn those numbers keep blasting.
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Old 07.03.2020, 18:40
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One can only hope that Italy is not some sort of forecast of what is here yet to come. Damn those numbers keep blasting.
If the epidemic is already in that phase when they can't link or track a new infection to anything - contact with a known sick person, recent visit in an affected area etc......then yes, Italy offers a rather accurate model.
But it's not unexplainable - things haven't been taken as seriously as in other places, imho.
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Old 07.03.2020, 19:02
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If the epidemic is already in that phase when they can't link or track a new infection to anything - contact with a known sick person, recent visit in an affected area etc......then yes, Italy offers a rather accurate model.
But it's not unexplainable - things haven't been taken as seriously as in other places, imho.
Over 1200 new cases reported in Italy today ..
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