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Old 08.03.2020, 09:21
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How does this work if one were just passing through, driving to Florence for example?
You don't, unless you fly.

Or take a lot of back roads to avoid the forbidden provinces.

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Old 08.03.2020, 09:25
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It’s expensive and time consuming. Just like they don’t test everyone who has the flu each year? What does it achieve? If you are not too bad stay at home until you’re well, how will testing help that?
IC for weeks on a breathing machine is expensive and time consuming as well. The scope of spread should be studied, recorded, and communicated to the public, else things could get much worse than they might need to be.
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Old 08.03.2020, 09:31
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It’s expensive and time consuming. Just like they don’t test everyone who has the flu each year? What does it achieve? If you are not too bad stay at home until you’re well, how will testing help that?
In terms of recovery, it doesn't make any difference. One can stay at home, try to get better, and only go for help if one's own immune system can't fight it.

The statistics so far show that most people who are infected don't do on to die from it. In fact, as far as I can see, the dangerous thing about Corona is not, at all, its deadliness, but its strength in transferring itself fast. It is very serious because a lot of people can get at least sick enough not to be able to play their usual roles in society.

If one is tested positive, then at least there is clarity that one must take special care not to pass on the virus to anyone else. Which one could do anyway. And then there'd also be clarity for people like Ricard, over in the other thread.
https://www.englishforum.ch/family-m...situation.html

As far as I understand it, though, no-one yet knows for certain whether, after having recovered oneself, one still has the potential to pass it on. This is a rather unsettling gap in the science, so far.

Research and time will show whether a recovered person
a) cannot pass it on at all (best case), or
b) can pass it on for duration of x weeks (if so, it would be good to have a test date).

One shudders to think what we'll do if x turns out to be a high number, or indefinite.
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Old 08.03.2020, 09:38
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In terms of recovery, it doesn't make any difference. One can stay at home, try to get better, and only go for help if one's own immune system can't fight it. The statistics so far show that most people who are infected don't do on to die from it. In fact, as far as I can see, the dangerous thing about Corona is not, at all, its deadliness, but its strength in transferring itself fast. It is very serious because a lot of people can get at least sick enough not to be able to play their usual roles in society.

If one is tested positive, then at least there is clarity that one must take special care not to pass on the virus to anyone else. Which one could do anyway. And then there'd also be clarity for people like Ricard, over in the other thread.
https://www.englishforum.ch/family-m...situation.html

As far as I understand it, though, no-one yet knows for certain whether, after having recovered oneself, one still has the potential to pass it on. This is a rather unsettling gap in the science, so far.

Research and time will show whether a recovered person
a) cannot pass it on (good),
b) can pass it on for duration of x weeks (if so, it would be good to have a test date).

One shudders to think what we'll do if x turns out to be a high number, or indefinite.
However if we just stop testing. like in CH or don't bother testing like USA .. Then there is no research .. We just accept that x amount of people are sick with something, we might test some of them who end up really sick or dead but we have no clue on real numbers.

Or we just accept the numbers and research from China, Iran, Italy .
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Old 08.03.2020, 09:42
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However if we just stop testing. like in CH or don't bother testing like USA .. Then there is no research .. We just accept that x amount of people are sick with something, we might test some of them who end up really sick or dead but we have no clue on real numbers.
Exactly! You're right. By not making testing possible, we have no way of gathering the statistics at all.

It would be great if there were self-tests (like pregnancy tests, for example, or diabetes blood droplet tests, or DNA swab tests) that one could either do at home and know the results right away, or send in the sample for analysis.
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Old 08.03.2020, 09:55
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As soon as those nice warm spring days come this corona thing will vanish in the past
You mean like in Australia with 75 cases despite temperatures this year averaging over 25C?
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You mean like in Australia with 75 cases despite temperatures this year averaging over 25C?
People will just feel happier and think of other things
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Old 08.03.2020, 09:58
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However if we just stop testing. like in CH or don't bother testing like USA .. Then there is no research .. We just accept that x amount of people are sick with something, we might test some of them who end up really sick or dead but we have no clue on real numbers.

Or we just accept the numbers and research from China, Iran, Italy .
Or Iceland.

Perhaps there are incentives to not know.
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Old 08.03.2020, 10:14
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Re: Coronavirus

There's definitely a lesser chance of catching it now in Lucerne especially around Schwanenplatz (Bucherer) as there are no crowds of Chinese and therefore approximately 30% of the males spitting all over the pavements.

Though (obviously) businesses have been adversely affected there is also a feelgood factor from us locals as to be honest it had gotten way too much for the last 3 years.
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Old 08.03.2020, 10:14
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Re: Coronavirus

Now that the Italian border is closed for approximately the next month, who could speculate if they will close the German border in the near future?

I have considered spending some time in Heidelberg this spring, but with everything going on it's hard to speculate if the situation will become worse, to the point of closing a border for example.

Obviously it's impossible to say what might happen, but I would assume I do not have many rights in Germany if the border did close, so that makes me hesitant to spend time outside of Switzerland.

What are the forum's thoughts?
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Old 08.03.2020, 10:17
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Re: Coronavirus

And SECO (State Secretariat for Economic Affairs)

SECO is the federal government`s centre of excellence for all core issues relating to economic and labour market policy.

Have come up with this initiative (in German) whereby they could help financially if businesses, self-employed, etc reach a point of critical failure ...
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So the Italian border it totally closed? That will have a massive effect on business, industry and tourism, restauration, Hôtels on Swiss side wow.
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Old 08.03.2020, 10:24
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Re: Coronavirus

From the WHO situation reports.
Tested positive numbers from Feb29th and March 7th:


Italy 888 > 4636 (x5)
France 57 > 613 (x10)
Switzerland 10 > 209 (x20)



So this time next week, France will have @5000 tested positive cases and CH @2000.
Italy I would say is open to question as they have the quarantine in place, however as there are 16 milion of them, maybe 15 to 20k?

CH we will not know the true numbers because of the lack of testing.


Now I'm not one to go all hysterical, but being prudent now can only make sense. Two or more weeks 'self isolation' would be hard work, I'd still have to wallk the dog 3 times a day, I could inadvertently infect other people in the block, and I don't want to be responsible for the demise of the oldies downstairs.
My company have cancelled all the coffee mornings, all (non-critical) travel, all training courses, all townhalls etc etc. They still want us in every day though using public transport.

Pretty sure next week that will be changed for the office workers
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Old 08.03.2020, 10:28
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Re: Coronavirus

If the Swiss authorities have stopped testing, it may be because the situation here is no longer epidemic but endemic, which is a lot worse than we're told. I'm not at all certain that's the case but it's worth considering.

24heures.ch (the Vaud rag) let pass via an article on 6 evangelicals confined in some village, that the Vaud authorities will no longer provide figures on confinements "because they're so much higher than Wednesday". Something must really be up, but the consequences aren't visible yet.

For accessing Italy it does appear roads in North Western Tessin should be open to whatever province borders there. You can also access via the Simplon and Grand St Bernard tunnels for the time being as the bordering areas aren't in the red zone. To get south you'd then have to hug the coast. Is it really worth it though?



Also I'm wondering how much longer Switzerland is going to be a place you can fly from, Israel and a couple of others have us on no-fly or no-fly if you don't have a place to quarantine in. Better triplecheck your travel insurance.

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If you have not made a last will then make it now. Time is running out
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Switzerland 08.03 12:00 332 cases of which 281 also have been confirmed by Geneva reference lab and 51 cases await this double confirmation?

As for Italian Lockdown, SBB is still riding normal schedule to and from Italy including the "Locked" areas without any checks in the trains...
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Old 08.03.2020, 12:27
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Switzerland 08.03 12:00 332 cases of which 281 also have been confirmed by Geneva reference lab and 51 cases await this double confirmation?

As for Italian Lockdown, SBB is still riding normal schedule to and from Italy including the "Locked" areas without any checks in the trains...
In comparison to population size, Switzerland seems to have a lot of confirmed cases. I wonder if this has a direct correlation with population density or possibly even lack of hygiene standards in public places.
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In comparison to population size, Switzerland seems to have a lot of confirmed cases. I wonder if this has a direct correlation with population density or possibly even lack of hygiene standards in public places.
Many tourists (Especially from China)
Lack of measurements
Tons of border workers
Shopping across the border is popular
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Old 08.03.2020, 12:40
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In comparison to population size, Switzerland seems to have a lot of confirmed cases. I wonder if this has a direct correlation with population density or possibly even lack of hygiene standards in public places.
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Lack of measurements
Tons of border workers
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The school holidays and lots of people travelling is probably also a factor.
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Truck with 240.000 Mouth masks forbidden by Germany to cross border into Switzerland.

Germany has since last Wednesday forbidden to export medical protection materials. Switzerland will make an official protest in an attempt to get the materials delivered into Switzerland. The masks where made by a Swiss firm but produced in Germany. Switzerland has no production of mouth masks within its borders.

If all of this is over some things really need to change..
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