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terrifisch 24.01.2020 21:43

Coronavirus
 
Not good... Some are saying that this "epidemic" is analogous to SARS...

https://www.ccn.com/china-virologist...inment-missed/

Guest 24.01.2020 21:52

Re: Coronavirus
 
I find it hard to have a proper clue as to how far this will go.

Clearly China again shows itself untrustworthy, it took way to long to take measures and now it simply might be to late, the numbers they give out are much lower and hardly show any growth which does not really relate to the images and videos that leak out of China showing people collapsing and laying dead on the streets of Wuhan. We hear reports of people not getting tested and their death is put on pneumonia but the relatives get told to burn the body since it shows all traces, and we see dead bodies on the floor in the hall of incredibly overcrowded hospitals that send people with symptoms simply back home since they lack the space. To me this already has gone much more extreme than China wants us to believe. Not to mention the deletion of tweets and all such. The closing of towns is simply to late and almost meaningless since it already spread into the Provences. I wonder if they can keep this up if food and water becomes more rare.

Sometimes I'm an optimistic guy, not this time.

1 or 2 hours ago they also confirmed two cases in France, and given the long incubation time of 10 to 14 days more most currently roam the streets. Maybe it is all the other countries that simply should shut the door between China and the rest of the world till the either open the book completely or this has blown over. Especially with hundreds of Chinese people wanting to travel due to the Chinese New Year which is tomorrow.

spaghetti 24.01.2020 22:13

Re: Coronavirus
 
I'm not surprised about the paris cases, a women from Wuhan cheated the airport detection with a medicine that lowered her fever.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuha...20-1?r=US&IR=T

This is pure selfishness. Especially it's Chinese New Year many Chinese travel... A chinese posted on social media admitting he/she was having fever and yet visited the amusement park in hk.

terrifisch 24.01.2020 22:34

Re: Coronavirus
 
Two cases in Singapore and two in the US to date. Scary!!

terrifisch 24.01.2020 22:37

Re: Coronavirus
 
This epidemic has already affected the Yuan adversely; the question is: how this affects the equity markets notwithstanding currency markets.

swissotter 24.01.2020 22:46

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by terrifisch (Post 3140462)
Two cases in Singapore and two in the US to date. Scary!!


yes you must be wondering about it here. we all have masks from the haze (good thing too as they were all sold out yesterday, from tourists taking them back to China, as there aren't enough masks there now) keeping tabs etc but there is nothing more we can do, we have been through, SARS and bird flu etc. So we know the drill. I will make a trip to HK soon too but i am not worried.

it is a terrible blow to people trying to celebrate CNY. A really sombre mood time now in China. It's sad for mainly the migrant workers who can't get home.

gaburko 24.01.2020 22:56

Re: Coronavirus
 
More noise....the ultra-scary SARS killed about 700 people and roughly 9% of the infected died. This coronovirus outbreak seems to be even more mild. Just to put things in perspective, tomorrow more people will die from tripping on the street than from any coronovirus.

spaghetti 24.01.2020 22:59

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swissotter (Post 3140467)
yes you must be wondering about it here. we all have masks from the haze (good thing too as they were all sold out yesterday, from tourists taking them back to China, as there aren't enough masks there now) keeping tabs etc but there is nothing more we can do, we have been through, SARS and bird flu etc. So we know the drill. I will make a trip to HK soon too but i am not worried.

it is a terrible blow to people trying to celebrate CNY. A really sombre mood time now in China. It's sad for mainly the migrant workers who can't get home.

I don't know, my friends observe today that almost half of the pedestrians are not wearing masks in public, some are very preventive some are not.

I experienced SARS when I was a teenager, I remember going to school wearing masks, the smell of it, the fear, so I always freak out till this day when people cough in public transport not covering their mouths...

I would make sure to order some N95 masks instead of regular surgical masks just to be sure, better paranoid than sorry. I heard the thing mutated, people just drop dead not even fever. :msncrazy:

swissotter 24.01.2020 23:02

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spaghetti (Post 3140472)
I don't know, my friends observe today that almost half of the pedestrians are not wearing masks in public, some are very preventive some are not.

I experienced SARS when I was a teenager, I remember going to school wearing masks, the smell of it, the fear, so I always freak out till this day when people cough in public transport not covering their mouths...

I would make sure to order some N95 masks instead of regular surgical masks just to be sure, better paranoid than sorry. I heard the thing mutated, people just drop dead not even fever. :msncrazy:


friends in HK?


Singapore govt first said normal disposable masks are ok but now we hear that N95 masks better. I am sure more changes in advice will occur over the coming days, weeks. My dad is a doctor (in HK) and his advice is just try to avoid crowded areas (hard in HK i know) but i think this is better advice than just "wear a mask"
We see China has enforced this by closing down all cinemas and closing tourist sights like Disneyland and the Forbidden palace. And cancelling all national CNY festivities.

spaghetti 24.01.2020 23:06

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gaburko (Post 3140470)
More noise....the ultra-scary SARS killed about 700 people and roughly 9% of the infected died. This coronovirus outbreak seems to be even more mild. Just to put things in perspective, tomorrow more people will die from tripping on the street than from any coronovirus.

tell your perspective to the 9% dead people's friends and families.

spaghetti 24.01.2020 23:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swissotter (Post 3140473)
friends in HK?


Singapore govt first said normal disposable masks are ok but now we hear that N95 masks better. I am sure more changes in advice will occur over the coming days, weeks. My dad is a doctor (in HK) and his advice is just try to avoid crowded areas (hard in HK i know) but i think this is better advice than just "wear a mask"
We see China has enforced this by closing down all cinemas and closing tourist sights like Disneyland and the Forbidden palace. And cancelling all national CNY festivities.

Yea friends in hong kong.

It's always better to avoid crowded areas. And wash your hands when you got home or back to your hotel, before a meal, etc. N95 in theory blocks 20% more bacteria, dust and pollen. However same level of protection with surgical mask in terms of virus. If this thing is confirmed to be "droplet transmission" like SARS, might as well be necessary to wear goggles, if you're really scared that is.

It's our own decision whether to protect ourselves or not, but if I feel sick, I feel responsible to quarantine myself so I don't affect the others.

Guest 24.01.2020 23:23

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gaburko (Post 3140470)
tomorrow more people will die from tripping on the street than from any coronovirus.

True, and a century ago a flu-virus killed about 100 Million people.

Thing is that it spreads easily, there is no medicine, our body does not recognise it as an intruder, it takes 10 to 14 days to start showing signs of infection we have no clue at all how many people worldwide might walk around with it currently and it constantly mutates. So we actually do not know what the coronavirus will look like in a month, in best case it is completely contained, in worst case it could also double it's mortality rate and manage to transport in such small droplets that it should be considered airborne after which we find out that all current containment methods simple did not stop the spreading causing world wide panic and an economical collapse.

VFR on top 24.01.2020 23:28

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gaburko (Post 3140470)
More noise....the ultra-scary SARS killed about 700 people and roughly 9% of the infected died. This coronovirus outbreak seems to be even more mild. Just to put things in perspective, tomorrow more people will die from tripping on the street than from any coronovirus.

Agree. Classic FAKE NEWS.

Its like a big hurricane that then downgrades to a tropical depression before hitting shore. The press will flog it until the next crisis arises. Panic and fear means more clicks and more revenue.

In perspective, the seasonal flu will most likely kill more people this year.

"When we think about the relative danger of this new coronavirus and influenza, there’s just no comparison,” said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine and health policy at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “Coronavirus will be a blip on the horizon in comparison. The risk is trivial.”"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...se/4564133002/


"Yet while all this has been going on, the virus has been proving itself pretty poor at killing its host. Up until Thursday pm 571 cases had been confirmed and a further ten in other countries. Of these, 95 were reported to be seriously ill and 17 people have died – most of them, it is reported, had pre-existing medical conditions. That is pretty mild compared with the worst flu seasons in Britain. By this stage of the winter two years ago flu was already reported to have killed 155 people."

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/0...t-coronavirus/

pilatus1 24.01.2020 23:47

Re: Coronavirus
 
36 million+ people under quarantine. Surely must be 'fake news'. :rolleyes:

As families tell of pneumonia-like deaths in Wuhan, some wonder if China virus count is too low

Island Monkey 25.01.2020 08:38

Re: Coronavirus
 
I was a lot more worried about Ebola spreading around the world... and that turned out ok!!

CodPeace 25.01.2020 08:49

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VFR on Top (Post 3140488)
The press will flog it until the next crisis arises. Panic and fear means more clicks and more revenue.

In perspective, the seasonal flu will most likely kill more people this year.

Come on! Join in the hysteria!


Last night I had a Chinese takeaway. Am I at risk?
Is it safe to go skiing at the Jungfrau? That's where the Chinese tourists go.

swisspea 25.01.2020 09:07

Re: Coronavirus
 
Before this little scare, they were talking about a very bad flu season, based on the previous Australian season ... which about now should be peaking in Europe...



here's the latest update... on the influenza outbreak that is current in Europe. The offiical line is that associated morbidity (death) is consistent with expectations...



https://flunewseurope.org/


The estimated prevalence of influenza last week in Switzerland was 140 cases per 100,000. That's just under 12,000 estimated influenza cases in Switzerland - well over the 'epidemic' threshhold...

pilatus1 25.01.2020 09:09

Re: Coronavirus
 
More than 43 million quarantined now, and 15 more deaths (at least) overnight, including a doctor who had been treating infected patients.

https://www.t-online.de/gesundheit/k...-an-virus.html


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51245680


Here's a site to track it's spread:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

As of now, there have been 41 deaths and 38 recoveries out of 1,354 confirmed cases.

robBob 25.01.2020 09:14

Re: Coronavirus
 
Could be their diet.
In which case I'm not surprised!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/108122...irus-bat-soup/


Exotic to say the least.
https://time.com/5770904/wuhan-coron...-wild-animals/

Rjellsch 25.01.2020 09:21

Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CodPeace (Post 3140522)
Come on! Join in the hysteria.

Available information suggests the transmission efficiency of the virus is quite high. With modern air travel it is already spreading rapidly through different cultures and countries. In each new host it will have opportunity to mutate. Mutation can make it more or less harmful. That’s sort of a wild card and worth keeping in mind.


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