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Old 27.01.2020, 10:24
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with omtatsat

I have no idea what I'm looking at or what the op is really on about, like people look at me when I'm trying to help them with IT issues, totally blank, so googling doesn't really help.

what is calculus? how does it get under the gumline, I'm assuming now that's bad??

I'm not a fan of going to the dentist so just close my eyes and let them get on with it, I don't ask what they are doing / planning to do as I really don't want to know beforehand (yes I'm a wuss)
Same here, I had never heard the term calculus used in relation to teeth before. I had heard of it used to describe kidney or gall stones so guessed it meant a calc build up of some sort.
We would call it tartar or plaque.

Looking at the X-ray I would assume it is the pointy bits sticking out from the sides of the teeth near the top, presumably thatís under the gum line.
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Old 27.01.2020, 10:45
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I didn't even notice the Xray in the OP... hope she had permission to share that as it may be considered sensitive personal information?
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Old 27.01.2020, 10:53
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Re: Good reason to NOT be loyal to your dentist!

I would like to thank the Op for raising awareness of this issue.

A lot of people suffer from some level of paradontitis without knowing it. Plaque / calculus building up below the gumline where you cannot see it is a ticking timebomb. I had some serious problems with this is the past and was fortunate in having a good dental hygienist. But if once you've had it, it never goes away completely so you need to keep on seeing a dental hygientist at least twice a year. I have the impression some dentists take a rather cavalier attitude towards it and don't start treating it until its already pretty bad.
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But I must admit when I saw the Xray I thought it was from someones smelly toes!



Evidently, or fortunately, we're not all blessed with your imagination
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Old 27.01.2020, 13:55
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Have you considered asking your dental hygienist (or pedicurist?) to scrape the calculus off your toes. Pedal paradontitis, if left untreated, can lead to your toes falling out.
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Old 27.01.2020, 14:02
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Re: Good reason to NOT be loyal to your dentist!

About 12 years ago, I went to the dentist in Switzerland for a check-up. I'd never had a filling. They did x-rays and told me I needed 4 fillings

Fortunately, I decided to do it in the UK for cost reasons. The dentist in the UK told me I needed no fillings. 2 of the "decay areas" on the x-rays were actually flaws in the enamel that had always been there, the other 2 were small areas of decay between molars, that they decided to monitor as filling them would destroy half the tooth.

12 years on, I've had one of the "holes" filled, the other is still ok. The Swiss dentist would have drilled 4 holes for no reason
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First the plaque. Using Calculus they work out an horrendous bill
That was actually quite funny, for an omtatsat post.
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Old 27.01.2020, 14:15
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About 12 years ago, I went to the dentist in Switzerland for a check-up. I'd never had a filling. They did x-rays and told me I needed 4 fillings

Fortunately, I decided to do it in the UK for cost reasons. The dentist in the UK told me I needed no fillings. 2 of the "decay areas" on the x-rays were actually flaws in the enamel that had always been there, the other 2 were small areas of decay between molars, that they decided to monitor as filling them would destroy half the tooth.

12 years on, I've had one of the "holes" filled, the other is still ok. The Swiss dentist would have drilled 4 holes for no reason
That could have been the other way around too. It so depends on the dentist personally.

I had a spot once which my dentist said we need to monitor. I payed it special attention and at the next visit he said, he doesn't know how I did it but it's fine again. That was fun as it happens rarely.
He appreciated it as much as I did. The big, bad, money-hungry dentist.

Tell me, is dental treatment also on NHS in GB?
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Old 27.01.2020, 14:19
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Tell me, is dental treatment also on NHS in GB?
only for kids.
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Old 27.01.2020, 14:51
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12 years on, I've had one of the "holes" filled, the other is still ok. The Swiss dentist would have drilled 4 holes for no reason
Someone needs to pay for their Porsche.
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only for kids.
Not quite. Anyone can be an NHS patient but you have to find an NHS dentist with NHS places available. Treatment is not free but you have a standard chart of charges.

There is the option to go private.

Kids get free treatment on the NHS.

Dental trauma is free of charge, too. So if you lose teeth in an accident, it's free.
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Re: Good reason to NOT be loyal to your dentist!

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Private in the UK is still a considerable saving on Swiss prices!!
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I highly agree with MathNut! Publishing my case and x-rays definitely would be reason not to trust my dentist.
Bitching about the competition is also bad taste. As most people can not analyse if something and what is wrong with their teeth, they can only chose their dentist due to how they feel treated and trust their feelings, ergo the dentist.

Dentist hopping is a very bad idea. Second opinions can be useful. My dentist does that by his own accord.

I don't let any DH near me! So my dentist and I have a special deal and he does it himself ever 8 months.

I chose doctors and dentist very carefully. We work together and I have my share of responsibility and I don't expect them to be underpaied for their good work.
I trust my dentist completely and have never simply put the blame on him in case of difficulties but worked them out together with him. And very successfully so. All that's in my teeth up until today are simple fillings. And I'm not 16 years old.

I don't see the point in this thread or the message. Don't go abroad? (OP most likely originally is from abroad, so what's the difference? ), change your dentist regularly? (Teeth are a complicated thing which influence many parts of your body and vice versa, if a dentist has to start from scratch, it's not benefiting the client). Go to OP only because OP only knows about teeth? (yeah, well ..... )
Thats unheard of! Why would a dentist make holes in your full dentures and then fill them up?
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Tell me, is dental treatment also on NHS in GB?
Depends if your dentist is taking NHS patients or not. Even if you are an NHS patients then there is a contribution paid by the patient unless you're a child or pregnant and for 12 months after you've given birth. I imagine some others get it 'free' as well if they're on various benefits.

Most dentists in England don't accept new NHS patients. I've never had a problem finding one in Scotland though.
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Re: Good reason to NOT be loyal to your dentist!

Obviously, I became a bit zealous with my post. I apologize for that and I have asked for permission to edit. Actually, the original title was completely different but I changed it, as I did not want to attack any nationality.

Anyway, I was simply so upset by this situation and the many other ones I constantly see, and hoped to warn my fellow EFers.

Bottom line: go to professionals and always ask about their certification. Preventive care can save your teeth and your money.
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Old 27.01.2020, 19:51
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Thats unheard of! Why would a dentist make holes in your full dentures and then fill them up?
Seems to me you quoted me but answered to Island Monkey?

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Obviously, I became a bit zealous with my post. I apologize for that and I have asked for permission to edit. Actually, the original title was completely different but I changed it, as I did not want to attack any nationality.

Anyway, I was simply so upset by this situation and the many other ones I constantly see, and hoped to warn my fellow EFers.

Bottom line: go to professionals and always ask about their certification. Preventive care can save your teeth and your money.
So your clients dentist in Konstanz is not professional and can't show certification.
Let's hope that is true and if not, this dentist does not come accross your post (google is their friend).

I understand the upset bit but I seriously do expect my medics (or anybody in my environment) to go public on the internet with my private data!
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Re: Good reason to NOT be loyal to your dentist!

Curley, I appreciate your concern for privacy, especially for the dentist. But, my concern is about the many patients who get cheated.

This situation could be completely avoided by doing a proper
dental prophylaxis ( cleaning). A dentist should either do it or employ professional hygienists to do so. Should take about one hour and cost between 150 and 200 CHF, in Switzerland. No big deal if done on a regular basis. It can prevent tooth loss and THOUSANDS of CHF spent.

Last week I received a phone call from a dentist in Kanton Aargau. She wanted me to help her out, as her agenda is full for SIX months for dental cleanings. She openly admitted to ONLY USING PAs ( prophylaxis assistants) and admits they also go sub-gingival. She said she could use a DH, from time to time...This is illegal and the patients are paying for a treatment whilst believing it is properly done! It is wrong!

So yes, patients need to be informed. Always ask for Registered Dental Hygienist or dentists willing to take the time for a proper cleaning. (45-60 minutes)

I have been a hygienist for FORTY years in FIVE countries. Believe me, there is a difference and I am ALWAYS on the side of the patient.
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Old 27.01.2020, 21:24
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Curley, I appreciate your concern for privacy, especially for the dentist. But, my concern is about the many patients who get cheated.

This situation could be completely avoided by doing a proper
dental prophylaxis ( cleaning). A dentist should either do it or employ professional hygienists to do so. Should take about one hour and cost between 150 and 200 CHF, in Switzerland. No big deal if done on a regular basis. It can prevent tooth loss and THOUSANDS of CHF spent.

Last week I received a phone call from a dentist in Kanton Aargau. She wanted me to help her out, as her agenda is full for SIX months for dental cleanings. She openly admitted to ONLY USING PAs ( prophylaxis assistants) and admits they also go sub-gingival. She said she could use a DH, from time to time...This is illegal and the patients are paying for a treatment whilst believing it is properly done! It is wrong!

So yes, patients need to be informed. Always ask for Registered Dental Hygienist or dentists willing to take the time for a proper cleaning. (45-60 minutes)

I have been a hygienist for FORTY years in FIVE countries. Believe me, there is a difference and I am ALWAYS on the side of the patient.
You're making it worse by the minute!
The privacy of the patient is a law in Switzerland. Medical secrecy goes for ALL people in medical professions here. I wouldn't know about the other 4 countries. Talking about illegal

If you have complaints about certain dentists, place them with SSO! It will have the most effect.
If you want to gossip or warn potential clients about possible dangers, mention situations, NEVER places (Konstanz, Lachen, Aargau), NEVER publish x-rays and other documentation.
Privacy law has absolute first priority in this country and yes, I am getting annoyed.

So give general advice. Like <<should either do it or employ professional hygienists to do so. Should take about one hour and cost between 150 and 200 CHF,>>, <<Always ask for Registered Dental Hygienist or dentists willing to take the time for a proper cleaning. (45-60 minutes)>>, <<regular basis>> etc. Those things are perfectly fine. You can talk about teeth all day long as long as you don't mention where you saw them and what the person using them to eat does (where she travels, how frequently, where she lives).

Someday somebody will report to SSO, there is a DH in Lachen who publishes private data. Dead easy for them to find out who that is.

And don't "appreciate my concern for privacy" though it sounds very generous, if not patronizing. Just follow the according law and everybody is happy.
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Last week I received a phone call from a dentist in Kanton Aargau. She wanted me to help her out, as her agenda is full for SIX months for dental cleanings. She openly admitted to ONLY USING PAs ( prophylaxis assistants) and admits they also go sub-gingival. She said she could use a DH, from time to time...This is illegal and the patients are paying for a treatment whilst believing it is properly done! It is wrong!
Are we supposed to know what these technical terms mean? If you have been doing what you have been doing for 40 years then I would think that you would have learnt to explain it in plain English by now, especially when you are trying to "warn the forum"about it.

Instead of just running to the internet to post knee-jerk threads about your competitors please have a think about what you are writing and at least make it so it's the least confusing it can possibly be before hitting the submit button.
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I would like to thank the Op for raising awareness of this issue.

A lot of people suffer from some level of paradontitis without knowing it. Plaque / calculus building up below the gumline where you cannot see it is a ticking timebomb. I had some serious problems with this is the past and was fortunate in having a good dental hygienist. But if once you've had it, it never goes away completely so you need to keep on seeing a dental hygientist at least twice a year. I have the impression some dentists take a rather cavalier attitude towards it and don't start treating it until its already pretty bad.
Exactly.

I've been montoring it for about 12yrs because it can have a hereditary predisposition and my mum lost all her teeth to it when she was 17. I've also got the double whammy of being quite resistant to antibiotics. Despite having deep cleans every 3mths and and a root planing every 6 mths from a fully qualified dental hygienist (a member of the British Society of Dental Hygienists and Therapists), the first time the dental pockets were actually measured was in Switzerland.

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Private in the UK is still a considerable saving on Swiss prices!!
You think?
I've completed a course of dental work recently and got quotes from my UK dentist and two Swiss dentists. I was very surprised that the UK quote was the same as one of the Swiss ones, but the Swiss dentist could begin the treatment within 3 weeks and the UK one could only offer a first appointment in 6 weeks time. The third quote was 3x the other two quotes but could begin work immediately.
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