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welcome, your child will be fine and v lucky to have this opportunity.
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I think that if a child cannot thrive, or have a good childhood, as well as been given a good start in their future in this environment, then their parents have not done enough to enable it from the start.

Whatever the background, whatever the circumstances.
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Old 25.02.2020, 16:57
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I think that if a child cannot thrive, or have a good childhood, as well as been given a good start in their future in this environment, then their parents have not done enough to enable it from the start.

Whatever the background, whatever the circumstances.
Are you writing this from experience, presumption, in a professional capacity, as a fantastic parent or what?
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Are you writing this from experience, presumption, in a professional capacity, as a fantastic parent or what?
After living here since 1986, can confidently reply all. And on-going.
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I think that if a child cannot thrive, or have a good childhood, as well as been given a good start in their future in this environment, then their parents have not done enough to enable it from the start.

Whatever the background, whatever the circumstances.
Whatever the circumstances... really?
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This is a stupid comment... what has his experience with living in other places got to do with his ability to enjoy and appreciate where he lives? We all know Switzerland is an amazing country with a great quality of life and education system with a wealth of outdoor activities to enjoy. How could kids (especially whose parents also love the country) not be happy in this environment?
This is also a very stupid comment; just because the expat parents love CH why does it mean their kids should automatically love it too?

I know a couple of families where this is not the case.
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After living here since 1986, can confidently reply all. And on-going.
Well after having three children of my own - I can confidently say that they are all very different.

I can also confidently say that they have all had very different experiences in the Swiss school system.

I can also say we brought them all up the same way, in the same household.

I think I can confidently say that you are talking nonsense.

(I'm not criticising the Swiss school system here - only Zurirollt's statement).
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Well after having three children of my own - I can confidently say that they are all very different.

I can also confidently say that they have all had very different experiences in the Swiss school system.

I can also say we brought them all up the same way, in the same household.

I think I can confidently say that you are talking nonsense.

(I'm not criticising the Swiss school system here - only Zurirollt's statement).
If I’m not mistaken, the question wasn’t something along the line of “Is Switzerland a good place to bring-up children if I earn shit-loads of money, can afford multiple kids, and am from an ex-pat background”. Nor whether one has been a good parent.

The question was whether Switzerland is a good place to bring-up kids - without any constraints. Coming from all angles.

And I have answered “Yes”, based on three decades experience of a life other than described.

I truly beleive that every child here is given a chance, but only with good parenting. Whether they have the opportunity to do an apprenticeship or a doctorate or something in-between is irrelevant. The fact is that each child can be given a choice to do something worthwhile.

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I think that if a child cannot thrive, or have a good childhood, as well as been given a good start in their future in this environment, then their parents have not done enough to enable it from the start.

Whatever the background, whatever the circumstances.
Hey Sandaleen,

I see that you groaned my post.
It would be interesting to know your story, as it must be different.

Really...
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Old 25.02.2020, 20:26
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I wondered about this myself, there seems to be absolutely nothing in this country he likes, and life in Australia should be nice with a Swiss Pension (I recall O worked here for decades).

A nice house in the middle of nowhere, no foreigners, no full trams, no public toilets, no cars just nothing to get disturbed about just perfect for him.
Of course he does! He likes that there is so much for him to complain about and the possibility to do it freely


As to bringing up children in Switzerland, Odile said it.
And I didn't like ZüriRollt's post either. So I allow myself to rephrase it;
What ever the (familiar etc) circumstances, in Switzerland a child can get the best help and support for it, without the parents having to be rich.
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And I didn't like ZüriRollt's post either. So I allow myself to rephrase it;
What ever the (familiar etc) circumstances, in Switzerland a child can get the best help and support for it, without the parents having to be rich.
Don’t like this rephrasing!!! Not at all!!!

A child’s life is determined, regardless of income, family, parental or financial difficulties etc. at the end of the day by the love and support it receives from its parent(s).
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If I’m not mistaken, the question wasn’t something along the line of “Is Switzerland a good place to bring-up children if I earn shit-loads of money, can afford multiple kids, and am from an ex-pat background”. Nor whether one has been a good parent.

The question was whether Switzerland is a good place to bring-up kids - without any constraints. Coming from all angles.
Feel like ZuriRollt has it right here, and the main point seems to be getting lost in arguments over parenting.

Everybody will have a different parenting style, different views and different backgrounds. That's why I was mainly looking for a more general outlook on life for children in Switz. Of course there will be financial restraints, I just want to have a bit of confidence that my son can be happy, make friends, and make the most of the opportunities before him, and that people didn't necessarily have any regrets about moving their child away from their native home.

Thanks again for all the replies so far though, have to say it's been a great help!
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Our 2 kids are born here and now in University and trilingual with both German and English as mother languages (the other ones being French and Mandarin). With only a slight hickup with one teacher in primary school, it's been been a 5-star experience which I wonder can even be had anymore in the US where I grew up, especially now that they have regular "active shooter drills" in primary school
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Don’t like this rephrasing!!! Not at all!!! ......
Stating the obvious.
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Our 2 kids are born here and now in University and trilingual with both German and English as mother languages (the other ones being French and Mandarin). With only a slight hickup with one teacher in primary school, it's been been a 5-star experience which I wonder can even be had anymore in the US where I grew up, especially now that they have regular "active shooter drills" in primary school
Nice case study, and one that you hear repeated a lot in Switzerland. (Although your kids would be quadrilingual, wouldn't they? Or does one speak French and the other Mandarin?)

Similar feedback from me, my son has had an idyllic upbringing with a very supportive primary school -- although I think he's about to learn the hard way about really working hard, as he starts Sek in a few months. I do sometimes wish he'd had the opportunity to go to the beach every weekend or after school, and to join the Nippers surf lifesavers, and all those good things...

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I think that if a child cannot thrive, or have a good childhood, as well as been given a good start in their future in this environment, then their parents have not done enough to enable it from the start.

Whatever the background, whatever the circumstances.
There are many factors that can have an effect on a child and not all of those are within the control of the parents.
This is just as true for Switzerland it is for anywhere else in the world.
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Don’t like this rephrasing!!! Not at all!!!

A child’s life is determined, regardless of income, family, parental or financial difficulties etc. at the end of the day by the love and support it receives from its parent(s).
Although a child with supportive, loving parents has (theoretically!) better chances at succeeding in life, lots of people who did succeed had no support - emotional or otherwise - from their parents. Similarly, some who were brought up with every opportunity imaginable, loved and nurtured, turned out to be huge disappointments.
Humans. They are fascinating and not always predictable, aren't they?
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Thanks to all so far for the comments, really takes a weight off seeing mostly positive experience!
A large part of the move is to give our son the best possible opportunity in life, so if he can be happy then I'll be happy.

Hopefully he'll get socialised ASAP and I'm sure he'll pick up the language.

As a slight bit of an aside, which you've probably already thought of and may even be prompting the move, you will get into Switzerland during the Brexit transition period and henceforth be treated in the same way as Brits have been for the last 17 or so years as EU citizens in terms of remaining in Switzerland, getting permanent residence etc. If you then stay long-term, your child (and eventually you - not necessarily at the same time) will also become eligible for Swiss citizenship in about 10 years, which will give you most (but not necessarily all) of the benefits of EU freedom of movement.
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Don’t like this rephrasing!!! Not at all!!!

A child’s life is determined, regardless of income, family, parental or financial difficulties etc. at the end of the day by the love and support it receives from its parent(s).
Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Kids are people. Newsflash. Regardless of the love and support in all its various forms that they may or may not get, ultimately they will make their own decisions in their own way. As I see it, what folk may or may not attribute to good/bad parenting is... arbitrary. But I suppose that's why the "nature or nurture" debate is ongoing: plenty of evidence for both sides.
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