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Thanks for sharing your experience.
But she didn't.

She made a statement on what she thinks determines a child's life. A statement which is pretty insulting to a lot of parents.
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But she didn't.

She made a statement on what she thinks determines a child's life. A statement which is pretty insulting to a lot of parents.
I’m not going to honor that with an answer.

Have been through shit here over many years as a single Mom like you cannot imagine, with an ill father to my daughter, and that I’m not going to share in it’s entirety even with my closest friends, let alone you.

Everyone has their story. You me, RufusB and others just as examples. And our kids turned out good here in Switzerland (after really hard times at least in my case). Or we had at least the opportunity to support them in all ways that we could, and enable a good life. Whether grilling in the forest or supporting them within a non-fee paying, excellent education system. In many countries, this, and other issues would not be possible.

But that’s a different topic.

The question of whether Switzerland is a good place to bring-up a child, can still in my eyes, through my own experience (good and bad), only be answered positively.
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As for his swims in the river, he swims sort of close to the water treatment plant and to quote him:

"I do go bathing nearby at Werd Insel and the smell is enough to make one vomit."
Since contacting them and complaining the smell has ceased.( ps. the smell even got a mention in the local paper so it was not just me complaining ) For a long time its been good.
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I wondered about this myself, there seems to be absolutely nothing in this country he likes, and life in Australia should be nice with a Swiss Pension (I recall O worked here for decades).

A nice house in the middle of nowhere, no foreigners, no full trams, no public toilets, no cars just nothing to get disturbed about just perfect for him.
HaHa! A swiss pension of 1100CHF a month does not go far in Australia
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The question of whether Switzerland is a good place to bring-up a child, can still in my eyes, through my own experience (good and bad), only be answered positively.
I've not followed all the nuances of this thread, but was anyone seriously suggesting that CH is _not_ a good place to raise your kids? Any examples of folks who would think another country would be better?

Taking a pragmatic view, it's clear that there re many factors involved in determining how a child turns out, and that some may have greater impact than others, but just as some kids from sh1thole countries and no family to speak of can turn out as decent successful human beings, so can some with the most loving and attentive parents in somewhere like CH still end up becoming total gits of adults. And vice versa, and for any given combination of those factors.
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I've not followed all the nuances of this thread, but was anyone seriously suggesting that CH is _not_ a good place to raise your kids? Any examples of folks who would think another country would be better?
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It was this statement that I complained was just wrong on so many levels:

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I think that if a child cannot thrive, or have a good childhood, as well as been given a good start in their future in this environment, then their parents have not done enough to enable it from the start.

Whatever the background, whatever the circumstances.
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Well the thing is one generally does not have choices. But CH is a great place to bring up kids. And its a beautiful country. I come from the " timeless spaceless " land that is Australia. So its pretty hard to get that out of the head.
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It was this statement that I complained was just wrong on so many levels:
Hey, I really apologise if I’ve offended...
Have no idea about you, nor your family. As you have no idea about mine.

Life can be very tough here in Switzerland. And often very beyond the reach of the support that parents can provide. As everywhere.

I was speaking from the point-of-view of someone that has experienced very difficult aspects of life here when bringing-up a child, from many perspectives, and over a long period of time.

But at the end-of-the-day, it is still a wonderful place to bring-up children. I wouldn’t choose any other given the choice.

Have always seen you also as a parent that encourages the nature, sports, great education, and as well sees Switzerland ‘life’ as it is, also in being a good parent.
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Hey, I really apologise if I’ve offended...
Have no idea about you, nor your family. As you have no idea about mine.

Life can be very tough here in Switzerland. And often very beyond the reach of the support that parents can provide. As everywhere.

I was speaking from the point-of-view of someone that has experienced very difficult aspects of life here when bringing-up a child, from many perspectives, and over a long period of time.

But at the end-of-the-day, it is still a wonderful place to bring-up children. I wouldn’t choose any other given the choice.

Have always seen you also as a parent that encourages the nature, sports, great education, and as well sees Switzerland ‘life’ as it is, also in being a good parent.
And of course the children are later free to live where they want
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Just for the record, my kids are growing up in the UK.

Other than that, fair enough.
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Just for the record, my kids are growing up in the UK.

Other than that, fair enough.
Exactly, another model of good parentage here. And I know that from your posts over the years etc. that you are a really great Mom.
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Hey, I really apologise if I’ve offended...
Have no idea about you, nor your family. As you have no idea about mine.

Life can be very tough here in Switzerland. And often very beyond the reach of the support that parents can provide. As everywhere.

I was speaking from the point-of-view of someone that has experienced very difficult aspects of life here when bringing-up a child, from many perspectives, and over a long period of time.

But at the end-of-the-day, it is still a wonderful place to bring-up children. I wouldn’t choose any other given the choice.

Have always seen you also as a parent that encourages the nature, sports, great education, and as well sees Switzerland ‘life’ as it is, also in being a good parent.
It wasn't about me but other parents whose children have suffered - either because they have some sort of disability, or they have got in with the wrong crowd - or quite often both - the first leading to the other.
Sure, the parents may be at fault but quite often the other siblings are doing just fine.

A child down the road from us ended his life on New Year's Eve this year -absolutely tragic but from what I know, I'm sure the parents could not have done anything better.

But you suggested from your original post that it was the parents' fault and they had not done enough from the start, whatever the circumstances.
I'm sure the parents can take comfort from that the fact that, in your eyes, they f**ked up.

As for the schools - sure, most of them are great but in the end, a school is the sum of the parts and not every teacher in every school is up to scratch - that's the same in every country.

There was a teacher in Cardiff, Wales mentioned in the U.K. papers last month who managed to get the entire class of thirty pupils A* grades (that would be a score of 6 here I suppose, for comparison), and he did it six months early.

That is absolutely fantastic. It's also a school in a socially and economically disadvantaged area.
Compare that with the teacher here who taught one of my boys and who told them she had given up on the boys and only really wanted to teach the girls.
(lots of the boys came from from socially and economically disadvantaged families).
Same types of children - two ways of dealing with it.
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Re: Raising your child in Switzerland. Hindsight and experience...

I know I have read Zurizolt's opinion as - no matter what, as long as the child has the support and love of their parents, makes even the bad luck/difficult conditions better. Even the possible hardships here, that I as a single mom (as she is) know too well. Zuri, I got that this is what you wrote, not that kids/parents with difficult predicaments beyond parents' control don't deserve our empathy

Single parents can encounter ton of amazing, strong community and private support here. Maybe ZuriZ can start a thread for single parents here. <3
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Hi all,

We'd love to hear of anyone's experience of moving from abroad (we're coming from UK) and raising their children in Switzerland.

Looking forward to all your thoughts and experiences.

Thanks,

Andrew.



We have moved here temporarily from Canada with kids 7 and 9. The kids love it here and the schools seem great. We worried that kids might be less accepting of foreigners but that has proven not to be the case at all. Kids were super kind to them even at the beginning when their language skills were bad and they have several good friends now after a relatively few months.


Kids here are given way more independence at a younger age than back home in Canada, which I think is great. It's possible that some parents steeped in North American overprotection of kids might not like the level of freedom and responsibility kids are given here.


Can't say I see a serious downside of raising kids here.
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Kids at our local school get free rentals xc skis each winter- and go skiing instead of PE- and sometimes to the skating rink- they never wear helmets. Young kids use their push scooters around on tarmac- and they do not wear helmets. They don't when they cycle to school when a bit older. The way it is- and it can be very difficult for parents from the USA where kids are much more 'protected', to accept. Same for walking to school in small groups or alone.

I remember a few years ago at the school Fête- kids (age 10-14ish) were climbing on the flat roof at the back of the school, about 2m high and jumping off. I went to see one of the teachers (I was on school commitee as elected councillor and we often helped with school activities) - and told her they were doing this. She looked at me and smiled and said 'what's the problem, that is what kids do. Having been a teacher in the UK for so many years, having to do training and risk assessment ad nauseum for the activities I organised (Ski and snowboarding club and trips, YHA hiking weekends, school exchanges and work placements abroad, etc) - I had to gulp silently, smile and say 'OK get it'...When helping with activities, including skiing, xc and dh- and caving, trips abroad, hiking, etc - teacher just told kids to jump in our car and hold our hand when they were scared or needed help. I slept in a tent in charge of 5 x 10 year olds. She trusted us, and that was enough. No police checks, etc, as we would have had to do in the UK. No parent questionned this- teacher trusted us- OK.
Again, that can be hard for parents who are used to much more formal checks, etc.
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It wasn't about me but other parents whose children have suffered - either because they have some sort of disability, or they have got in with the wrong crowd - or quite often both - the first leading to the other.
Sure, the parents may be at fault but quite often the other siblings are doing just fine.

A child down the road from us ended his life on New Year's Eve this year -absolutely tragic but from what I know, I'm sure the parents could not have done anything better.

But you suggested from your original post that it was the parents' fault and they had not done enough from the start, whatever the circumstances.
I'm sure the parents can take comfort from that the fact that, in your eyes, they f**ked up.

As for the schools - sure, most of them are great but in the end, a school is the sum of the parts and not every teacher in every school is up to scratch - that's the same in every country.

There was a teacher in Cardiff, Wales mentioned in the U.K. papers last month who managed to get the entire class of thirty pupils A* grades (that would be a score of 6 here I suppose, for comparison), and he did it six months early.

That is absolutely fantastic. It's also a school in a socially and economically disadvantaged area.
Compare that with the teacher here who taught one of my boys and who told them she had given up on the boys and only really wanted to teach the girls.
(lots of the boys came from from socially and economically disadvantaged families).
Same types of children - two ways of dealing with it.

Thank you for your honesty. I came from a “disadvantaged family” in the UK, with Mom suffering from quite a violent form of Schizophrenia (in those days this was not as understood as it is today in Switzerland).

Dad was wonderful, a Swiss scientist, gave-up a job at IBM (Zurich) all that time ago (1963) because he fell in love with my also since deceased Mom. He was the most kind and wonderful person, and unfortunately passed following an incident shortly before my daughter was born.

Came here with zero on my bank account, and my life here in Switzerland has been neither privileged, nor advantageous.

Since then, have fought my way through quite a few stories (including falling in love with and marrying my daughters Swiss father, who also suffers from mental health problems, as did my mother. (He’s doing great since years, and we’ve been divorced since about 22, thank you). Have been very naive in many of them, and have learnt. And have since many years established a life that provides security financially.

Something that I do know after all this: Switzerland is a wonderful place to bring-up children, is relatively safe, provides an environment offering wonderful nature and activities. It provides the opportunity to decide what is right for them, and at the same time ensures that a good sport, education path is available (almost cost-free) for whatever they choose.

But it does take a lot of parental interaction as someone coming from elsewhere, to ensure that they are informed of the choices available. From whatever background

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Kids at our local school get free rentals xc skis each winter- and go skiing instead of PE- and sometimes to the skating rink- they never wear helmets. Young kids use their push scooters around on tarmac- and they do not wear helmets. They don't when they cycle to school when a bit older. The way it is- and it can be very difficult for parents from the USA where kids are much more 'protected', to accept. Same for walking to school in small groups or alone.
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You write like that is a good thing.

In our local school here, helmets are compulsory for when the school does skiing, skating and cycling.

Personally I don't see that ensuring that kids wear helmets for such activities is being over-protective.
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You write like that is a good thing.

In our local school here, helmets are compulsory for when the school does skiing, skating and cycling.

Personally I don't see that ensuring that kids wear helmets for such activities is being over-protective.
I was thinking the same thing when I read that comment.
I thought I must have misunderstood as I couldn’t understand why not wearing helmets would be considered a good thing.
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You write like that is a good thing.

In our local school here, helmets are compulsory for when the school does skiing, skating and cycling.

Personally I don't see that ensuring that kids wear helmets for such activities is being over-protective.
I have to agree. My friend's husband is a doctor in the emergency room of a children's hospital here in CH. He once told me that if parents here saw we he did on a regular basis that they would always ensure that their kids wear helmets.
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Kids at our local school get free rentals xc skis each winter- and go skiing instead of PE- and sometimes to the skating rink- they never wear helmets. Young kids use their push scooters around on tarmac- and they do not wear helmets. They don't when they cycle to school when a bit older. The way it is- and it can be very difficult for parents from the USA where kids are much more 'protected', to accept. Same for walking to school in small groups or alone.

I remember a few years ago at the school Fête- kids (age 10-14ish) were climbing on the flat roof at the back of the school, about 2m high and jumping off. I went to see one of the teachers (I was on school commitee as elected councillor and we often helped with school activities) - and told her they were doing this. She looked at me and smiled and said 'what's the problem, that is what kids do. Having been a teacher in the UK for so many years, having to do training and risk assessment ad nauseum for the activities I organised (Ski and snowboarding club and trips, YHA hiking weekends, school exchanges and work placements abroad, etc) - I had to gulp silently, smile and say 'OK get it'...When helping with activities, including skiing, xc and dh- and caving, trips abroad, hiking, etc - teacher just told kids to jump in our car and hold our hand when they were scared or needed help. I slept in a tent in charge of 5 x 10 year olds. She trusted us, and that was enough. No police checks, etc, as we would have had to do in the UK. No parent questionned this- teacher trusted us- OK.
Again, that can be hard for parents who are used to much more formal checks, etc.

Trust is fine but I like the fact that folk who work with kids in the UK need a DBS check. Made me very uneasy in CH.
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