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Would not work because of things stated above. Things like holidays are not just holidays, I have a legal obligation (and a moral one) to ensure that my daughter visits her father in our home country during holidays for example. The cost of travel during school holidays means that many people, especially us foreigners, organise trips very far in advance for cost reasons.
It's four months to go until the summer holidays. Would it be over by then and do we want people to spread around the world by then?
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Old 11.03.2020, 08:17
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2. Employers should relieve the pressure on the health system by relaxing their rules about demanding medical certificates from their employees. I.e. not before 5 days
With some employers, the 3 days standard is part of the salary insurance requirement.

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I learned that a big pharma company in Basel tested COVID-19 positive in two cases and everyone is still expected to come to work as normal...
Not true across the board. Employees who are able to work remotely are expected to do so where possible. I know one area where no-one comes into the office 5 days a week anyway!

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Also, just because schools are closed, it does not mean kids will not learn. Many schools have set up skype or internet links etc for home learning. Much like many adults can work from home, many school subjects can be learned at home.
As I've said elsewhere, my daughters' FHS already is doing lectures across the net.
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Not true across the board. Employees who are able to work remotely are expected to do so where possible. I know one area where no-one comes into the office 5 days a week anyway!
My work conditionally allowed me to work from home this week and I know they will expect me in the office next week even though the situation has only worsened. Everyone I work with regularly puts their career over their health and frequently come to the office in full sickness. I am not that way and am wondering what I can do. I've written to my doctor since I commute long distance by train and have asthma...

After seeing what is happening in Italy, I'm honestly starting to worry. I rolled my eyes when they cancelled fasnacht etc., but it seems like this virus might be the real deal.
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Old 11.03.2020, 11:55
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Company is now reluctantly looking into home office...... as in we need to check if we have the tools to do that..... It seems someone here really needs to fall ill before they do anything (apart from having desinfection stuff on the floors).


And guess what? Meeting scheduled to explain the 2019 financials, 50 people in one room.... brilliant idea.......
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Company is now reluctantly looking into home office...... as in we need to check if we have the tools to do that..... It seems someone here really needs to fall ill before they do anything (apart from having desinfection stuff on the floors).


And guess what? Meeting scheduled to explain the 2019 financials, 50 people in one room.... brilliant idea.......
sit apart as much as possible? take everyone's temp before the meeting? check everyone's travel history the past 14 days? if you have to have the meeting at least i hope they allow people to at least voice their concerns/ be proactive....
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Company is now reluctantly looking into home office...... as in we need to check if we have the tools to do that.....
Crikey, what world do you live in? Surely all you need is a decent laptop and internet connection? This was bread&butter stuff ten or fifteen years ago for most companies.

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Company is now reluctantly looking into home office...... as in we need to check if we have the tools to do that.....
Crikey, what world do you live in? Surely all you need is a decent laptop and internet connection? This was bread&butter stuff ten or fifteen years ago for most companies.
In our company there are still a lot of doucments which require wet signatures and fancy rubber stamps. So basic work is fine, until it comes time to approve things.

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Company is now reluctantly looking into home office...... as in we need to check if we have the tools to do that.....
Crikey, what world do you live in? Surely all you need is a decent laptop and internet connection? This was bread&butter stuff ten or fifteen years ago for most companies.
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In our company there are still a lot of doucments which require wet signatures and fancy rubber stamps. So basic work is fine, until it comes time to approve things.

That. And no, not all accountants have a laptop and not everyone has a company cell phone.

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That. And no, not all accountants have a laptop and not everyone has a company cell phone.
And for neither love nor money should you give them your private number, it somehow always finds its way into customer hands and then all you can do is leave the country and start again.
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And for neither love nor money should you give them your private number, it somehow always finds its way into customer hands and then all you can do is leave the country and start again.

Well, that is for sure! Have a company cell phone so that is not an issue.
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My work conditionally allowed me to work from home this week and I know they will expect me in the office next week even though the situation has only worsened. Everyone I work with regularly puts their career over their health and frequently come to the office in full sickness. I am not that way and am wondering what I can do. I've written to my doctor since I commute long distance by train and have asthma...
Obviously it varies from department to department, but in mine, if you come in ill, you'll be told to go home.

My colleague who is in the office today reckons its safe there.
1. Hardly anyone is in
2. It gets a good clean twice a day
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My colleague who is in the office today reckons its safe there.
1. Hardly anyone is in
2. It gets a good clean twice a day
I'm not afraid of the office, I'm afraid of the crowded train that is hardly cleaned.
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Company is now reluctantly looking into home office...... as in we need to check if we have the tools to do that..... It seems someone here really needs to fall ill before they do anything (apart from having desinfection stuff on the floors).


And guess what? Meeting scheduled to explain the 2019 financials, 50 people in one room.... brilliant idea.......
I don't know what you guys do but Asana is a great tool to get stuff done in a team without seeing each other.
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Crikey, what world do you live in? Surely all you need is a decent laptop and internet connection? This was bread&butter stuff ten or fifteen years ago for most companies.
I used to work from home in 1996 .. I had a dual 64k ISDN line and thought I was king of the internet :-)
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I'm not afraid of the office, I'm afraid of the crowded train that is hardly cleaned.
My daughter got the bus to her college this morning. It was completely empty for the first few stops. You could travel maybe off-peak? But what if everyone does that!
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1994 I worked from home occasionally. VT320 terminal emulation over an X25 radio network. Not fast.
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I'm not afraid of the office, I'm afraid of the crowded train that is hardly cleaned.
get yourself a car. wondering how stickair will be enforced these days...
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get yourself a car. wondering how stickair will be enforced these days...
I'm not driving 3 & 1/2 hours per day. 1.5 hours each direction without traffic...
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Re: Corona virus - difficult employer situation

I stumbled across a payroll company which has been efficient enough to gather together various rules and regulations about employment and payment, during the exceptional circumstances of corona.

https://payrollplus.ch/en/freelancer/faq/ contains general information, in English.
The corona-specific section is in German only, here: https://payrollplus.ch/freelancer/faq/
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Re: Corona virus - difficult employer situation

I'd appreciate views, both legal and ethical, on the following situation, please.

The nurse I know works full-time, as part of a team. They visit many patients, in and out of private homes. all day long. The following situation is occurring in one of those patient’s households.

The patient is single, very ill but alert, and is usually seen in several nursing visits per day, all week long. About 10 nurses cover these visits. A further 4 people work part-time, each doing chores in the home. The patient has an adult grandson who visits once or twice a week and also does household tasks. So far so good, pre Corona.

In Corona times, the patient, the nurses and the household staff tell one another to stick to the health instructions of the Federal Council, and they do. They all regard it as very important to be responsible towards the patient, but also towards all the people the other nurses and household staff see, elsewhere.

Rather frighteningly, though, several of the nurses and all the household workers are now working less, or not at all. A few are in isolation, either because they themselves have taken ill or because they’ve had recent contact with such a person, or they are at home because they are healthy but in a risk group, or else they’re simply no longer able to work because they’re exhausted after having put in too many hours of overtime.

The nurse I know, and now only a very few others, still visit to do as much nursing as they can manage to get done in the remaining slots. The grandson is the only one left doing any housework.

At the end of a long visit yesterday, during which the nurse and the grandson met, again, the grandson declared that he doesn’t think the restrictive hygiene measures prescribed by the Federal Council need to be taken seriously, that he needs personal physical contact, that he doesn’t care if he gets sick but that anyway the people with whom he’s enjoying close physical contact are clearly not sick, and that he’s involved with a number of people in different ways and is going to carry right on with physical closeness whenever he can get it, with whomsoever, including strangers, and that’s just who he is.

He told his grandfather that he’s still very willing to do the housework, but asked his grandfather whether, in the light of his clear decision to maintain several relationships that involve close physical contact, the grandfather would prefer him not to come by until Corona is over.

The nurse is asking: What Would You Do? As the grandfather (patient)? As the nurse? If the grandson is allowed to come by, then everyone’s potentially at risk. But the patient currently has no other help in the home, and without the grandson's housework, things will get icky.
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Not true across the board. Employees who are able to work remotely are expected to do so where possible. I know one area where no-one comes into the office 5 days a week anyway!
We have just been ordered by our CEO to work 50% in the office. We had been almost all working from home and that works just fine, but as the person apparently doesnīt trust us.....

In addition to that, one of the assistants went off sick, but nobody can tell if that is Covid19 as she hasnīt been tested (yet). So she might have infected some others, worst case, who could easily now spread this.....
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