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Old 26.04.2020, 16:10
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

When you say you are blocked in Switzerland, what do you mean by that? Do you live/work in Switzerland or you are here purely for tourism?
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Old 26.04.2020, 18:59
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

I think a lot of us are probably in this kind of situation at the moment. My partner lives in Belgium, my daughter lives in Spain, and all the rest of the family is in the UK. Comments that "no-one gets separated from his immediate family" like the one upthread are not really helpful...
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Old 26.04.2020, 19:43
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does anyone knows what can we do to be able to reach home after May 4th?
It hasn't been decided yet.

I'm an Italian national and my parents are in Italy (but no kids).

This is the latest news with the likely evolution of the rules:
https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/pol...784ca2e3f.html

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Sì alla possibilità di visitare i parenti ma no alle riunioni di famiglia, conferma del divieto di spostamento tra le Regioni, se non per comprovate esigenze lavorative, situazioni di necessità e motivi di salute. Sarebbero due delle novità che verranno introdotte con il nuovo Dpcm a partire dal 4 maggio, secondo quando si apprende da fonti che partecipano alla cabina di regia tra governo ed enti locali.
If this is confirmed, you don't have working reason, no emergency need and no health issues. Sadly, just visiting family is not emergency.

But it's just rumors, we will know more later this week, if not tonight after the PM press conference.
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Old 27.04.2020, 13:08
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

It seems that the measures listed above were confirmed.

I would say, you won't be able to travel unless you have a residency document with the Italian address you intend to visit...
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Old 27.04.2020, 14:51
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

I've heard of people being able to do this but in the close border area. I would get written confirmation and documents to prove the relationship before trying though (for the italian side especially). I think from the Swiss side it's allowed as day trip but it's better to confirm as it depends case by case.
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Old 27.04.2020, 15:34
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

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Italy is likely to keep his borders closed (for tourists) until the end of the year:
https://nation.com.pk/26-Apr-2020/it...il-end-of-year
This has been refuted by the Italian Embassy:


Mosca, 27 apr 12:56 - (Agenzia Nova) - L'ambasciata italiana in Russia ha confutato le informazioni inesatte diffuse nei giorni scorsi sulla chiusura dei confini italiani sino alla fine dell'anno. "In merito a quanto riportato da alcuni organi di stampa russi su una presunta dichiarazione del ministro per i Beni e le attività culturali e il turismo Dario Franceschini, relativa alla chiusura dei confini italiani sino al termine di quest'anno, si precisa che nell'intervista del ministro Franceschini apparsa sul quotidiano 'La Repubblica' lo scorso 25 aprile, non e' stato sollevato il tema della chiusura da parte italiana dei confini nazionali. Si è invece affermato che gli sviluppi su tale questione dipenderanno, in generale, dall'evoluzione della situazione epidemiologica e dalle scelte dei singoli Stati. Il ministro Franceschini ha sottolineato come, al momento, risulta difficile pianificare nell'immediato il rilancio del turismo internazionale, il che comporterà per il nostro paese una maggiore attenzione al turismo domestico incoraggiandolo alla riscoperta delle bellezze italiane. L'augurio è naturalmente che si possa al più presto riprendere i flussi turistici internazionali verso il nostro paese, che i russi hanno sempre dimostrato di apprezzare scegliendolo come rinomata e tradizionale meta delle loro vacanze", ha precisato la sede diplomatica. In precedenza, alcuni media russi, con riferimento all'intervista di Franceschini, avevano diffuso la notizia in base alla quale i confini italiani sarebbero stati probabilmente chiusi ai turisti stranieri per l'intera durata dell'anno in corso. (Rum)


Moscow, 27 apr 12:56 - (Agenzia Nova) - The Italian Embassy in Russia has refuted the inaccurate information disseminated in recent days on the closure of the Italian borders until the end of the year. "With regard to what has been reported by some Russian press on an alleged statement by the Minister for Cultural Heritage and Activities and Tourism Dario Franceschini, regarding the closure of the Italian borders until the end of this year, it should be noted that in the interview of Minister Franceschini appeared in the newspaper 'La Repubblica' last April 25, the issue of the Italian closure of national borders was not raised. Instead, it was stated that developments on this issue will depend, in general, on the evolution of the epidemiological situation and the choices of individual States. Minister Franceschini pointed out that, at the moment, it is difficult to plan for the immediate relaunch of international tourism, which will mean that our country will pay more attention to domestic tourism, encouraging it to rediscover Italian beauties. The hope is, of course, that we can resume the international tourist flows to our country as soon as possible, which the Russians have always shown they appreciate by choosing it as a renowned and traditional holiday destination," the diplomatic headquarters pointed out. Previously, some Russian media, with reference to Franceschini's interview, had spread the news that the Italian borders would probably be closed to foreign tourists for the entire duration of the current year. (Rum)


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Old 27.04.2020, 20:49
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

My sincere apologies, I totally misunderstood the comment and thought this was only about parents. It seems like he wants to visit for less than 72 hours, so this is not a reunification but a simple visit, not easy to justify to Italian authorities.

Doing a quick visit and back defeats the whole point of the lockdown. If you are sick and you go there you'll re-infect everyone, right when they started to go back to normal.

If you are healthy and they are sick, you will bring this back to Switzerland in 3 days and spread it here.

My original post still stands, everyone needs to think of the common good right now and that includes your family's long term well being.

If you said you want to permanently relocate there that would be an entirely different thing, but a visit of that sort has the maximum risk of re-infection in either region.
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You bear the responsibilities of your actions. Just think if everyone does the same and en masse head to Italy to visit their families how soon again this nightmare can be restarte

I don't have a solution unfortunately but don't let emotions get the better of logic. What's the best course of action is usually the hardest and the one you least want to do.
Most people don't have kids in a different country. For various reasons some do. In my case it's because I moved to Switzerland whilst my wife was naturalising as a UK citizen. I expected her to follow a couple of weeks after me - no problem as I could get stuff unpacked and paperwork sorted whilst she looked after baby. Several months later we are where we are.

I don't want to do anything risky but I'm reaching the tolerance of what I can put up with regarding not seeing my baby girl. The sensible thing would be to allow family reunion. In lieu of that I'm probably going to visit and return if cases remain low.

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Most people don't have kids in a different country. For various reasons some do. In my case it's because I moved to Switzerland whilst my wife was naturalising as a UK citizen. I expected her to follow a couple of weeks after me - no problem as I could get stuff unpacked and paperwork sorted whilst she looked after baby. Several months later we are where we are.

I don't want to do anything risky but I'm reaching the tolerance of what I can put up with regarding not seeing my baby girl. The sensible thing would be to allow family reunion. In lieu of that I'm probably going to visit and return if cases remain low.

It must be heartbreaking for you to miss the very early stages with your baby and I am so sorry for you. Some posters who likely do not have children or are not separated from loved ones may not be fully able to understand your pain.

Going to UK is something I have been giving thought to although no plans unless an emergency. Driving, if one can get through France, and then Euro Tunnel has to be safer than getting flights. I am now only going out when essential for food shopping and could self isolate for two weeks in UK before returning to Switzerland and again self isolating. Is that scenario something you would be able to do

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Old 28.04.2020, 15:40
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

I know people who live in Switzerland and "commute" with Germany to see the family. It looks like Switzerland has not a problem with it, as long as people keep being considerate.

The issue with Italy is the special restriction that apply there. Citizens can't even walk freely in their own town without declaring in written that they have a compelling case.
This is going to be eased soon, but just a little. The idea of crossing several Regions without an immediate need is ...impractical.

I understand that the definition of "immediate need" is subjective, particularly when family and babies are involved. But in Italy there are 60 million people with similar needs and they are in lockdown, Italians abroad won't be given special privileges (this includes me).
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Old 28.04.2020, 15:45
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I know people who live in Switzerland and "commute" with Germany to see the family. It looks like Switzerland has not a problem with it, as long as people keep being considerate.

Switzerland allows that, actually Germany does not and requires people to go into quarantine for 14 days. But there is a loophole that says that commuters (Berufspendler) are exempt.
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Most people don't have kids in a different country. For various reasons some do. In my case it's because I moved to Switzerland whilst my wife was naturalising as a UK citizen. I expected her to follow a couple of weeks after me - no problem as I could get stuff unpacked and paperwork sorted whilst she looked after baby. Several months later we are where we are.

I don't want to do anything risky but I'm reaching the tolerance of what I can put up with regarding not seeing my baby girl. The sensible thing would be to allow family reunion. In lieu of that I'm probably going to visit and return if cases remain low.
Does this not help?
https://www.englishforum.ch/3173186-post7711.html

Or does your wife still need to remain in the UK, because of her naturalisation process?
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

When my father was first posted as an expat to the other side of the globe, he had to go 6 months ahead of his family, to settle the business and personal living arrangements. A couple of decades ago, this was completely normal and no expat (or very few if any) would immediately bring his family with, as there were no temporary accommodation choices like we have today. Mind you, in those days there was no Skype, facetime, internet or the option to make cheap international phone calls.
My father left when I was 1.5 years old and saw him again when I was 2. According to my parents, I did not recognize him when he picked us up at the airport, after 6 months. But hey, we all survived right?

People have been separated due to wars for much longer. Also not being able to communicate.

So, yes, I will be honest, if someone is trying to cross borders during times like today for "a visit", because you "miss your kids and want to hug them" (and in the grand scheme of things, 2 months is not that long) and risk spreading the virus and increase chances for more people to lose their lives - I find that highly irresponsible. (Like Mr Dog thought initially, if the OP was asking if the borders were open for him to return to his country and family and STAY there, okay, but please - a less than 72 hour visit? NO.)
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

My understanding is that getting back home will be allowed in May provided that you will be able to stay there for a while (at least 2 to 4 weeks) + communicating your move back to the Italian local health authorities.

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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

I called the embassy and they said is not possible at the moment, no problem coming back to Switzerland (from border office)
Funny that G permit can instead... (safety first?)
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I called the embassy and they said is not possible at the moment, no problem coming back to Switzerland (from border office)
Funny that G permit can instead... (safety first?)
Just for the weekend you mean? Or for a longer time?
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

OP, here’s a personal experience. When I moved to CH, being non EU, I was on a B permit tied to my company. With 3 months probation period, we didn’t want to risk it. So I arrived alone, setup everything, and wait out the probation. When I left my son was 2. Then we found out my wife was pregnant, and she didn’t want to give birth in a foreign country with no one but us. With my family half way around the world, no easyjet option, I had to grit it out. I saw them 2x in that 9 month duration. I was there when my daughter was born but it was another 3 months or so before I saw her next. It’s hard I know, but grind it out...
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I called the embassy and they said is not possible at the moment, no problem coming back to Switzerland (from border office)
Funny that G permit can instead... (safety first?)
Even G permit holders will probably be only "essential" workers like doctors, nurses, etc. I doubt everyone with a G permit is being allowed through atm.
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