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Back to Italy after May 4th

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Is now more than two months that I can't hug my kids because blocked here in Switzerland, does anyone knows what can we do to be able to reach home after May 4th?
I've read somewhere that maybe calling Italian embassy they can give you a pass with "family reconciliation" reason that would allow you to not get fined if stopped by Italian police.

Any experience during these months?
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Old 26.04.2020, 11:11
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

What citizenship do you hold ? And your family ? And are you willing to cross the border and then not come back for weeks or even months ?
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

Italy is likely to keep his borders closed (for tourists) until the end of the year:
https://nation.com.pk/26-Apr-2020/it...il-end-of-year

However, if you are a italian national or travelling for business or health reasons/emergency , you are allowed to enter Italy.
If you manage to get to italy, you have to self isolate for 14 days.
https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

I'm not going there for tourism, I wanna go there to stay with my family (I'v read that until 72 hours there is no 14 days quarantine requirement) isn't this a valid motivation?
I've accepted to stay here for the last 2 months because of the total lockdown, but after May 4th, circulation in Italy will be allowed without the need of certification if you stay inside your region.
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

You bear the responsibilities of your actions. Just think if everyone does the same and en masse head to Italy to visit their families how soon again this nightmare can be restarted.

I don't have a solution unfortunately but don't let emotions get the better of logic. What's the best course of action is usually the hardest and the one you least want to do.
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

In this article , there is no word from a 72 Hour exemption from the self isolate order:

https://www.thelocal.it/20200416/a-s...-lockdown-last
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

@Troubleawesome. You are obviously not separated from immediate family or don't have children. OP wasn't asking about a quick visit for an extended family party but to return to his home to be reunited with children. Have a little compassion
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I'm not going there for tourism, I wanna go there to stay with my family (I'v read that until 72 hours there is no 14 days quarantine requirement) isn't this a valid motivation?
I've accepted to stay here for the last 2 months because of the total lockdown, but after May 4th, circulation in Italy will be allowed without the need of certification if you stay inside your region.
If you don't have Italian nationality or have an Italian resident permit it's not going to happen.

Circulation in Italy isn't the same as being able to get into the country from outside it's borders.
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Italy is likely to keep his borders closed (for tourists) until the end of the year:
https://nation.com.pk/26-Apr-2020/it...il-end-of-year

However, if you are a italian national or travelling for business or health reasons/emergency , you are allowed to enter Italy.
If you manage to get to italy, you have to self isolate for 14 days.
https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm
I seriously doubt Italy will keep their borders closed until the end of the year. They need the income generated by tourism to survive.
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Re: Back to Italy after May 4th

@Medea Fleecestealer I have Italian nationality, and again, I'm not asking to go there for holiday, but to stay with my family for less than 72 hours.

@Troublawesome There are about 40K commuters going back and forth Italy every day, I wonder what is the problem if, after lockdown is relaxed, someone else with proven reason (and i think reunite with my kids is.) is added.
I have a house, a family and i continue paying some taxes there.
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I seriously doubt Italy will keep their borders closed until the end of the year. They need the income generated by tourism to survive.
It cannot be a unilateral decision. Unless the other countries agree it would be pointless since no one could go there and come back....

I donít think the end of the year is unrealistic. Most countries will probably want to wait a while first to see how it goes at a national level first, then maybe essential business trips within Schengen and so on.

Undoubtedly there will be set backs and retrenchments and so on.
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It cannot be a unilateral decision. Unless the other countries agree it would be pointless since no one could go there and come back....

I donít think the end of the year is unrealistic. Most countries will probably want to wait a while first to see how it goes at a national level first, then maybe essential business trips within Schengen and so on.

Undoubtedly there will be set backs and retrenchments and so on.
I disagree. Schools are slowly opening up again and summer vacation is at hand. The longer this lockdown goes on, the more damaging it is to the economy.

But, this is my opinion only.
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@Troubleawesome. You are obviously not separated from immediate family or don't have children. OP wasn't asking about a quick visit for an extended family party but to return to his home to be reunited with children. Have a little compassion
This comment is beyond stupid. No one gets separated from his immediate family, you mentioned kids...where do you base this? How could a parent be separated from his kids...he would be let in. You're all BS.

It's obvious the OP wants to visit parents or grandparents and not his own children.

And as I said, imagine 200k expat Italians now all rushing back into Italy as soon as the borders open again. You'll have another outbreak in no time.

Is that ok for you? Letting emotions prevail is not going to help anyone.
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@Medea Fleecestealer I have Italian nationality, and again, I'm not asking to go there for holiday, but to stay with my family for less than 72 hours.
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So do you only want to go there for a quick under 72 hours visit and then return to Switzerland? I had thought you had meant that you wanted to return home and stay with your family until this is over. I completely support the latter but not the under 72 hours quick trip
I completely understand how you feel and I desperately miss my immediate family as well. I want to hug my son and my elderly and ill mother. Is it worth the risk for 72 hours and would it be selfish to do so when it is not an emergency. I have to say not worth the risk and selfish which is why, at the moment, it is something that I personally would not do.

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This comment is beyond stupid. No one gets separated from his immediate family, you mentioned kids...where do you base this? How could a parent be separated from his kids...he would be let in. You're all BS.

It's obvious the OP wants to visit parents or grandparents and not his own children.
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Hi,
Is now more than two months that I can't hug my kids because blocked here in Switzerland, does anyone knows what can we do to be able to reach home after May 4th?
I've read somewhere that maybe calling Italian embassy they can give you a pass with "family reconciliation" reason that would allow you to not get fined if stopped by Italian police.

Any experience during these months?
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This comment is beyond stupid. No one gets separated from his immediate family, you mentioned kids...where do you base this? How could a parent be separated from his kids...he would be let in. You're all BS.

It's obvious the OP wants to visit parents or grandparents and not his own children.

And as I said, imagine 200k expat Italians now all rushing back into Italy as soon as the borders open again. You'll have another outbreak in no time.

Is that ok for you? Letting emotions prevail is not going to help anyone.

I get kids from OPs comments that he wants to hug his children. He makes no mention of parents or grandparents. I don't know what is the truth you would have to ask him that but I took his comments as to be accurate
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This comment is beyond stupid. No one gets separated from his immediate family, you mentioned kids...where do you base this? How could a parent be separated from his kids...he would be let in. You're all BS.

It's obvious the OP wants to visit parents or grandparents and not his own children.

And as I said, imagine 200k expat Italians now all rushing back into Italy as soon as the borders open again. You'll have another outbreak in no time.

Is that ok for you? Letting emotions prevail is not going to help anyone.
Did you actually read the OP and the bit where he says he canít hug his kids and hasnít been able to do so for two months?

Maybe read things properly before making unjustified assumptions next time.
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This comment is beyond stupid. No one gets separated from his immediate family, you mentioned kids...where do you base this? How could a parent be separated from his kids...he would be let in. You're all BS.

It's obvious the OP wants to visit parents or grandparents and not his own children.

And as I said, imagine 200k expat Italians now all rushing back into Italy as soon as the borders open again. You'll have another outbreak in no time.

Is that ok for you? Letting emotions prevail is not going to help anyone.
You're the one talking BS. Plenty of people are stuck in other countries because they're not allowed back in atm, even here in Switzerland. If you're not a Swiss national or don't have a residence permit YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED IN. Even spouses/dependents of Swiss nationals are not allowed in if they don't have a residence permit.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...html#Questions on border closures, cross-border commuters and free movement of persons

Italy will be exactly the same I expect as are many other countries.

From what I can gather looking at the OP's other posts they have children with someone they're not married to, but they live and work here in Switzerland while the other parent and children are in Italy. So no way are they going to be let through the border.
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This comment is beyond stupid. No one gets separated from his immediate family, you mentioned kids...where do you base this? How could a parent be separated from his kids...he would be let in. You're all BS...
As has been shown numerous times, families have been separated by strict border rules. Even some of our own members have not been able to be with their spouses or children, because they reside here and the family resides elsewhere. In normal times, it's a quick EasyJet hop at the weekend. But right now if you're not a Swiss citizen or resident, then you can't come in even if you're married to a Swiss. Same is true for many other countries - not a citizen or resident, no luck.

Is Italy being even more strict and not even allowing in citizens? OP's profile says he's Italian so I'd think he could go there. How long he'd have to stay in quarantine there and how long in quarantine once back here are other issues.

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As has been shown numerous times, families have been separated by strict border rules. Even some of our own members have not been able to be with their spouses or children, because they reside here and the family resides elsewhere. In normal times, it's a quick EasyJet hop at the weekend. But right now if you're not a Swiss citizen or resident, then you can't come in even if you're married to a Swiss. Same is true for many other countries - not a citizen or resident, no luck.

Is Italy being even more strict and not even allowing in citizens? OP's profile says he's Italian so I'd think he could go there. How long he'd have to stay in quarantine there and how long in quarantine once back here are other issues.

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A friend used to hop on an Easyjet flight from UK to France once every 3 - 4 weeks to visit and help his elderly parents. When that was no longer possible he made the difficult decision to stay in France because his at risk parents needed him more than his wife and 5 year old child. My son used to come over at least once a month but now stays in UK because my mother cannot leave the house and needs him. There are many people separated from their families. I think OP was hoping for an under 72 hour visit which, while completely understandable, is likely not to be allowed without quarantining in both Italy and Switzerland.
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