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Langzeitgymnasium none in south zurich

There seems to be no Long high school in south Zurich from sihl city down as far knonau. This is quite a big area and find it hard to understand. Is there any people which kids of long high school going age (13+) experience of this and if so where do their kids go?
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I think the kids go near Enge. It's easy to access along the coast with the train. And it's a small number. Maybe 5% of the secondary population. If your kid is able to read German and do maths, they can catch the train and turn up at school on time.
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I think the kids go near Enge. It's easy to access along the coast with the train. And it's a small number. Maybe 5% of the secondary population. If your kid is able to read German and do maths, they can catch the train and turn up at school on time.
I am still surprised that it exists, we don't have that here. We do have that in CZ and in GER, Czech kids go either to lang-gymmi in their homeplace (most gymmies have long or short versions) or they stay in German lang-gymmi boarding schools. Wish long gymmies existed where we are.
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I am still surprised that it exists, we don't have that here. We do have that in CZ and in GER, Czech kids go either to lang-gymmi in their homeplace (most gymmies have long or short versions) or they stay in German lang-gymmi boarding schools. Wish long gymmies existed where we are.
I'm happy to say that I have absolutely no idea what you're all talking about here. At first I thought the English translation must have been in error, given how apparently meaningless it is.
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Politics. The Pork District (Säuliamt/Knonaueramt/Bezirk Affoltern) and the Sniffle Coast (Pfnüsselküste/Zimmerberg /Bezirk Horgen) are in historic terms less affluent farmer and blue collar worker districts. Bezirk Affoltern saw huge increase in its population in the last 40 years. And a Gymnasium for Bezirk Horgen has been proposed for decades, potential locations found and foregone. But also the Gold Coast (Bezirk Meilen) was missing its own Gymnasium for a long time.

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Bezirk Affoltern 18'382@1960, 29'273@1980, 41'324@2000, 55'258@2019
Bezirk Horgen 71'829@1960, 101'387@1980, 105'539@2000, 125'887@2019
Bezirk Meilen 60'805@1960, 78'905@1980, 85'780@2000, 105'246@2019

The rather rich Gold Coast got its own Gymnasium in Uetikon am See 2018
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanton...Uetikon_am_See
https://www.kuezh.ch/angebot/bildungsangebot/

After decade of discussions and proposals the one for Zimmerberg will finally open its door fall 2020 in Au, Wädenswil.
https://www.zsz.ch/horgen/neues-gymn...story/14102185
https://kszi.ch/

Not so much look for the last districts. AFAIk no news, a proposed location is Affoltern a.A.
https://knonauer-amt.ch/projekte/die...nauer-amt-ein/
https://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/kein-gymi...amt-1.18523658
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The Pork District (Säuliamt/Knonaueramt/Bezirk Affoltern) and the Sniffle Coast (Pfnüsselküste/Zimmerberg /Bezirk Horgen)
Brilliant, never heard those terms before
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I am still surprised that it exists, we don't have that here. We do have that in CZ and in GER, Czech kids go either to lang-gymmi in their homeplace (most gymmies have long or short versions) or they stay in German lang-gymmi boarding schools. Wish long gymmies existed where we are.
I am confused. Isn't Langgymnasium just gymnasium? Kurzgymnasium is what some kids who don't make it to the Gymi go later. Are you confusing it with something else? Or is Langgymi not a regular gymnasium?

Edit: I read again and I think I finally got i. Did you mean in Germany and Czech republic kids don't commute to school? They either go to school in their district or they board? Is that it?
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I am confused. Isn't Langgymnasium just gymnasium? Kurzgymnasium is what some kids who don't make it to the Gymi go later. Are you confusing it with something else? Or is Langgymi not a regular gymnasium?

Edit: I read again and I think I finally got i. Did you mean in Germany and Czech republic kids don't commute to school? They either go to school in their district or they board? Is that it?
Here (canton VD) as far as I know, there is only one option around where we live: 3 years of Gymnase. Germany and back home in CZ there are 2 options: short and long gymnase, they are 8 years or 4 years. Students I know in CZ go to 4 yr of Gymnase or 8 years or short and long version in Germany, which they opt for if they want to study in German language. In that case they stay in what we call here l'internat, dorms. It is unbelievably popular for Czech kids to quit CZ and go for these somewhat mensa boarding schools in Germany. The quality of both short and long Gymnase either in GER or CZ is really high. I wish that the kids in our canton had the option of entering gymmase earlier and stick to it for longer than 3 years. Although the program in the obligatory schooling, the Sek I geared for Gymnase is quite good and demanding. Still.

ASwissintheUS - I know too well that it is a matter of politics. It looks like the opposite of equal access to quality edu. I know that it is more complicated than that and people most probably voted for such access themselves...Still. Kids do not vote, don't get asked. They can learn languages and parents can sometimes move, to accomodate.

DerDieDas - I think I get it now, how long is Kurzgymmi? And Langzeitgymmi?
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I am still surprised that it exists, we don't have that here. We do have that in CZ and in GER, Czech kids go either to lang-gymmi in their homeplace (most gymmies have long or short versions) or they stay in German lang-gymmi boarding schools. Wish long gymmies existed where we are.
Why? What is the advantage of the long gymnasium.

I actually prefer the shorter version we have here, I think there is less pressure on the kids at a young age and they can enjoy being kids for longer.
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DerDieDas - I think I get it now, how long is Kurzgymmi? And Langzeitgymmi?
Maturitätsausbildungen von 6 Jahren Dauer, 9. bis 14. Schuljahr.

Kurzgymnasium
Maturitätsausbildungen von 4 Jahren Dauer, 11. bis 14. Schuljahr ab 10. Schuljahr (2. Klasse Sekundarstufe) oder ab 11. Schuljahr (3. Klasse Sekundarstufe).


Long is 6 years and short is 4.
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Can kids be primary educated in one kanton and go to Gymnasium in another kanton? Eg Metmenstetten primary then switch to zug for gymnasium
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Maturitätsausbildungen von 6 Jahren Dauer, 9. bis 14. Schuljahr.

Kurzgymnasium
Maturitätsausbildungen von 4 Jahren Dauer, 11. bis 14. Schuljahr ab 10. Schuljahr (2. Klasse Sekundarstufe) oder ab 11. Schuljahr (3. Klasse Sekundarstufe).


Long is 6 years and short is 4.
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I think the kids go near Enge. It's easy to access along the coast with the train. And it's a small number. Maybe 5% of the secondary population. If your kid is able to read German and do maths, they can catch the train and turn up at school on time.
But more awkward when you don’t live by the coast
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Why? What is the advantage of the long gymnasium.
2 years of higher stream schooling. Intended for the brighter, gifted kids so that they do not get bored. The perceived whiff of an "elite school" and brushed ego of the parents. Plus the risk to drop out and go back to regular secondary school with the common plebs.

Other than that? Nothing. In the end those who make it to the end of the short as well as the long stream get a Swiss Federal Recognized Matura.
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Can kids be primary educated in one kanton and go to Gymnasium in another kanton? Eg Metmenstetten primary then switch to zug for gymnasium
Possible. Costs CHF 14'100/year for the first two years of the long. CHF 16'700/year for the last 4 years of long or any year of short.

There is no entry exam to the canton Zug long gymnasium. It is mostly based on teacher recommendation and good grades. There is no right for admission if the child does not live in the canton.

https://www.zg.ch/behoerden/direktio...ufnahme/kosten
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But more awkward when you don’t live by the coast
Yes, depending on how far you live from a quick S-Bahn, that's true. Even so, swisspea is right. The vast majority of those who attend gynmasium do so by public transport.

Since so few children, as a proportion of the population, ever attend gymnasium, it stands to reason that, relative to secondary schools, they are few and far between. So yes, some of those poor kids have a long journey, changing several times. Sometimes the overall travelling time can be reduced if the first step is done by bicycle, up to the first reasonable connection to a bus to get to the station.

Most learn to use the commuting time as study time. Or else to engage with their friends via social media, or as chill time, so that once they get home, they can get straight into their homework.

Depending on the needs and possibilities of the other family members, some choose to move home to be closer to gymnasium, knowing that the same kind of communting will be involved once those young people, having obtained their matura, go on to study at university.
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Re: Langzeitgymnasium none in south zurich

A lot of Knonaueramt gymi kids also go to Urdorf, Kantonschule Limmattal. It's being expanded rather than building a new gymi in Affoltern am Albis.
The Langzeitgymi at Enge is called Freudenberg. Kantonschule Enge is a Kurzzeitgymi.


At Langzeitgymi Latin is compulsory, at Sek there is no Latin but unlike in Langzeitgymi there is career choice and religion.
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Re: Langzeitgymnasium none in south zurich

Kurzzeit Gymi is not just for those who didn't make it first time. Some parents prefer their kids go to the local sek for 2/3 years and then transfer to gymi which may be some way away. AFAIK, Zürich gymis do not have a catchment area as such so you can choose the gymi according to its profile -the ones in the middle of Zürich tend to be more specialised and the regional ones more general.
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At Langzeitgymi Latin is compulsory, at Sek there is no Latin but unlike in Langzeitgymi there is career choice and religion.
Less and less. There is pressure to abolish it completely as a mandatory subject it is no longer needed for University and it is said to be misused as a selection tool.
https://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/gymnasium...ein-ld.1458317
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz...story/30564725

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Most learn to use the commuting time as study time. Or else to engage with their friends via social media, or as chill time, so that once they get home, they can get straight into their homework..
Travel time wise there is probably not much difference for most students between Affoltern a.A and Urdorf, or Enge and Au/Wädenswil.
For example from Samstagern to KS Freudenberg or KS Zimmerberg is in both cases around 1 hour.
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1 hour is crazy commute for a 12 year old really. Let’s hope one is built in Affoltern in the not too distant future
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