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Old 16.07.2020, 17:58
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Aldi on Sunrise and not received, hubby either and daughter on Swisscom either.

But indeed we should have!

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...-07-20201.html
Well, that didnīt work then
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Old 16.07.2020, 18:07
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Well, that didnīt work then
Sounds like it. Hubs got a text on his phone, I did not. We're on the same network.
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Old 16.07.2020, 18:36
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I have installed the SwissCovid app. earlier this week. So far nothing has happened, i.e. no reports, which is good. However, how can I tell if it is actually working ?
I have the same question.

I would at least expect it to complain or at least record if it was unable to work properly for any lenth of time, for example due to bluetooth being switched off or airplane mode being activated. But nope.
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Old 16.07.2020, 18:52
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I have the same question.

I would at least expect it to complain or at least record if it was unable to work properly for any lenth of time, for example due to bluetooth being switched off or airplane mode being activated. But nope.
Mine does, it will give a warning if I turn bluetooh off that I am no longer "protected" - Samsung
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Mine does, it will give a warning if I turn bluetooh off that I am no longer "protected" - Samsung
Apple: it does when I switch off bluetooth but no reaction when I am on airplane mode. Does that mean bluetooth is then still active?
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Old 16.07.2020, 19:17
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I'm with Swisscom and never got that sms. Strange.
I'm with wingo. Which is Swisscom.

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Mine does, it will give a warning if I turn bluetooh off that I am no longer "protected" - Samsung
Ah, now this app indeed is fancy, it not only warns, it protects!
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Old 16.07.2020, 19:26
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I'm with wingo. Which is Swisscom.


Ah, now this app indeed is fancy, it not only warns, it protects!
Nah, just annoying, Why should I leave bluetooth on when I am on my own? Same message when I switch on bluetooth again, yes app, I know that by now......
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Old 16.07.2020, 20:28
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I'm with wingo. Which is Swisscom.


Ah, now this app indeed is fancy, it not only warns, it protects!
My language - says "App unable to function properly"
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Old 17.07.2020, 07:42
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Aldi on Sunrise and not received, hubby either and daughter on Swisscom either.

But indeed we should have!

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...-07-20201.html
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I'm with wingo. Which is Swisscom.
Actually if you read the BAG announcement you will see the text went to Swisscom, Sunrise and Salt customers. Aldi or Wingo (or whoever else) might use those networks but you are a customer of Aldi or Wingo and won't receive the text.
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Old 17.07.2020, 08:12
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Actually if you read the BAG announcement you will see the text went to Swisscom, Sunrise and Salt customers. Aldi or Wingo (or whoever else) might use those networks but you are a customer of Aldi or Wingo and won't receive the text.
I am a Salt customer and still havenít received the text.
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Old 17.07.2020, 09:23
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Nah, just annoying, Why should I leave bluetooth on when I am on my own? Same message when I switch on bluetooth again, yes app, I know that by now......
Which was to be expected. It doesn't have an algorithm for it, it can't. The creators might have the bluetooth switched on 24/7, but most people I know incl. myself don't. The next updated version will switch your bluetooth on automatically, I am sure. And a localiser.
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Old 17.07.2020, 11:24
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Which was to be expected. It doesn't have an algorithm for it, it can't. The creators might have the bluetooth switched on 24/7, but most people I know incl. myself don't. The next updated version will switch your bluetooth on automatically, I am sure. And a localiser.
Actually most people I know have it on permanently. Constantly connecting to speakers, watches, car audio etc.
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Old 17.07.2020, 11:25
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I am a Salt customer and still havenít received the text.
There's always one, isn't there....

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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

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The risks associated with using Bluetooth for location (or proximity) tracking do not just occur at the time the data is collected, but continue as long as it is stored — in particular once it has been linked to an individual. Thus there are concerns about how data such as these could be repurposed by Governments.
All the data is stored on your phone, nothing is transmitted to anyone else. GPS information is not collected or stored. Only Bluetooth data, which is random numbers, is collected and stored on your phone. Not shared

And if you delete the app, all the data stored on your phone is deleted. So if you are worried simply delete and reload the app.

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My language - says "App unable to function properly"
Is this a permanent message? There is a known error, understanding the cause of which goes beyond my technical abilities, where you have this message popping up repeatedly. This was the case on my (and several other people's) Android.

The solution was simply to uninstall and reinstall the app. This is a bit annoying, because you obviously lose the tracing data gathered so far. So in a hypothetical world where I have deleted and reinstalled the app and another person I have been close to does the same but one of us is then tested positive, the other would not know about it. At least based on my understanding of how they store the data.
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Actually most people I know have it on permanently. Constantly connecting to speakers, watches, car audio etc.
Of course, and so it will work.. But those many who don't have their bluetooth on 24/7, who don't keep their cell with them 24/7 or switch it off (again, I know many incl. me for the purpose of digital detox), those who don't have smartphones (yep, I know a few), kids without cells who mingle more than adults (try to tell a daycare baby to avoid hugging another baby)...will bear a statistical significance to the health statisticians or whomever interprets the data. I think the app is a great idea but I am a bit sceptical since the parameters change. One can be positive and not know, since one is asymptomatic. With or without cells, with or without aps.

Or for my peace of statistical mind, I will boost validity and service for the people that sit next to me in the trains and feed my app accurate data by testing once a week. Or a few times a week? The efficacy of all of this is a bit fuzzy for me, tbh.

Maybe restos, bars, discos, spas..will start only taking guests with the app and one being negative, I can totally see that coming, if they weren't trying to avoid bankrupcy.
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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

Does anyone know how the effectiveness of the app will be measured, if at all?
According to this article (in German) in the NZZ https://www.nzz.ch/technologie/was-s...4?reduced=true, (13th Juy 2020)
Bis am Freitagabend installierten und nutzen 1 007 199 Menschen aktiv die App, wie das Bundesamt fŁr Statistik am Samstag mitteilte.
By Friday evening (that would have been 10th July) 1 007 199 people had installed the App and were actively using it, according to the report of the Federal Office for Statistics.


To me, that doesn't really seem like a large part of the population, but fair enough, I suppose this is just one preventative measure amongst all the others.
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Old 18.07.2020, 20:30
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There's always one, isn't there....

I got it this evening, better late than never but itís no use because my phone is still too old for it.
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One of the key developers of the app is a mate of mine, known him for over ten years and trust both his skills and intentions as well as his personal standards for becoming involved in something. I have installed the test app and so far I only have some input on the English but curious to see how it works out.

The potential benefits greatly outweigh the costs (that are really pretty small compared to what people share anyway) in my view. The most ironic thing is people ranting about lack of privacy on Facebook; the same people who participated in the ten year challenge and every other stupid quiz that could easily be used to steal someone's identity.
To track what?... I had SARS in 2017 and Covid-19 now, if to compare, SARS has affected me worse, SARS was widespread as well, nobody have declared a pandemic, if to look to statistics, it kills comparable to Covid-19...but SARS was for training, the banks didn't was ready for a financial crisis in 2017...if you look in the past begin with 1918, every 10-12 years was a financial crisis that helped banks to acheve more and more assets for pennies...Choose the side, soon they will control every aspect of your life...If you not believe, just research about Cambridge Analytica who worked with military intelligence in several countries...
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Apple: it does when I switch off bluetooth but no reaction when I am on airplane mode. Does that mean bluetooth is then still active?
With iOS if you have Bluetooth on, and you turn on Airplane mode it will turn off Bluetooth. But, if you go back to settings you can turn wifi or Bluetooth back on. This config will become your new default. Turn on airplane mode, wifi and/or Bluetooth remains on. Just the phone network turned off.

I suspect, but donít know, if Android works the same. When I fly I need Bluetooth to keep functioning. Some airlines are now offering on board wifi but want you to stay in airplane mode.
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