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Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

Here's the info on the Swiss Covid Tracing App, developed by the ETH.
https://ethz.ch/services/en/news-and...covid-app.html

Some have eagerly awaited it, others despise the very notion.

Yesterday Monday 25th May 2020, Herr Daniel Koch, of the BAG (Swiss Federal Office of Public Health), said that now everyone with Covid-type symptoms should be tested.

At the moment there are very few new cases. The aim of the app, he said, was to find those who had been in touch with others tested positive, to help them to isolate, so we can keep the rate of spread low. Naturally, the fewer the number of contacts on as, the greater the chances that one could just inform them oneself, as soon as one had been tested positive. The higher the number of contacts, the more use the app could be.
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Old 26.05.2020, 19:29
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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

And here's the BAG's information about it (scroll down to Tracing)

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...ml#-2097806982
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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

Time to smash my phone.

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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

I am with you on this Tom... They (google/apple) track us enough!

And my thoughts are: given the low level case incidence in Zurich after the "reopening" and in Switzerland as a whole, this virus will have to run its course - if it hasn't done so already.

I am very surprised by the low level of new infections here in Switzerland which leads me to believe, this virus will be more akin to 1968 (Hong Kong) than 1918 (Spanish flu - which some outlets keep touting sadly!). In 1918, that flu hit the 18-23 year old demographic and this flu seems to affect the elderly primarily, and those with pre-existing co-morbidities secondarily.

I think the press is using scare mongering here for political purposes. Time will tell how things pan out but in the US: Florida and Georgia - no spike at all despite the re-opening a month ago...Hmmm!

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/26/u...rus/index.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...ns-83841093557

So, my answer is a "NO" - I will not be signing up for any Covid tracking device in the near future. Once one gives up a personal liberty, very hard to get it back . Just my thoughts!
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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

I think that 3310s will be making a comeback!

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I think that 3310s will be making a comeback!

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Except that this iconic phone has made a comeback. But as a smartphone.

You don't have to get rid of your smartphone. Detox. Leave it home, use it half time, or whatever. Why be connected 24/7.

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Time to smash my phone.

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Idiotic comment.

It's not compulsory and has no access to location. There's plenty of information gathering to be concerned about from the usual suspects. This is not on that list.
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Idiotic comment.

It's not compulsory and has no access to location. There's plenty of information gathering to be concerned about from the usual suspects. This is not on that list.
You are THAT naive to think it will not track location?? Really? Now that is amusing...
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I am with you on this Tom... They (google/apple) track us enough!

And my thoughts are: given the low level case incidence in Zurich after the "reopening" and in Switzerland as a whole, this virus will have to run its course - if it hasn't done so already.

I am very surprised by the low level of new infections here in Switzerland which leads me to believe, this virus will be more akin to 1968 (Hong Kong) than 1918 (Spanish flu - which some outlets keep touting sadly!). In 1918, that flu hit the 18-23 year old demographic and this flu seems to affect the elderly primarily, and those with pre-existing co-morbidities secondarily.
There's enough evidence in other countries that if we don't keep squashing new infections it will come back to bite us in the bum. Unless you want a second lockdown we still need track and trace and this could be a big help with that. Unless there are too many idiots around.
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You are THAT naive to think it will not track location?? Really? Now that is amusing...
Show me your evidence.

The code is open. You can see for yourself if you are so concerned.

Edit..why do you believe the Swiss government give a sh1t where you are anyway and wtf would they do with that information?
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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

I've just tried to download the app but it's still in the testing phase. Only ETH staff and students can take part in the trial.
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Show me your evidence.

The code is open. You can see for yourself if you are so concerned.

Edit..why do you believe the Swiss government give a sh1t where you are anyway and wtf would they do with that information?
Oooh! I seem to have struck a chord here baboon! So tell me why a so called "tracking device" would not include location? Is that not an oxymoron??

Please continue as I find your argument humorous at best!
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There's enough evidence in other countries that if we don't keep squashing new infections it will come back to bite us in the bum. Unless you want a second lockdown we still need track and trace and this could be a big help with that. Unless there are too many idiots around.
Where reinfections occurred there were other issues Baboon. Singapore, for example has housed migrant workers in very closed and unsanitary conditions but never tested these workers. ?? And now they have a "second" lockdown but..the first one wasn't really much of a lockdown as restaurants were still open as were clubs (American Club, Swiss Club, Tanglin Club etc...) Now their infections are primarily relegated to these worker dorms.

Sadly, Singapore is making "everyone" pay for their oversight. All are on a pretty strict lockdown - much stricter than what we experienced here in Switzerland.

I am not entirely buying into the second wave theory. Were that to happen I would have expected a spike here and in those states which reopened in the US. That has not happened thus far. We shall see what unfolds... And who is the idiot
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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

It is encouraging to see how technology can be put to good use to outsmart a virus. The data protection concept will require some more communication to dispel fear and conspiracy theories.
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Oooh! I seem to have struck a chord here baboon! So tell me why a so called "tracking device" would not include location? Is that not an oxymoron??

because it uses bluetooth instead of gps. disadvantage is of course that measuring distance via bluetooth is not too accurate.
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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

This link has a great overview in non technical speak of how the tracking app works... https://www.liip.ch/en/blog/fighting...tification-api
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Unless you want a second lockdown we still need track and trace and this could be a big help with that. Unless there are too many idiots around.
Hey, it's not nice to call the 65+ YO population idiots Couldn't find more recent statistics (1 min search ) but only 32% of 65+ people owned an smartphone on 2015. https://www.zora.uzh.ch/id/eprint/117080/1/2291-2802-1-PB.pdf

Let's be generous and assume a dramatic improvement : today, 50% of the 65+ population carries their smartphone regularly. In a very optimistic scenario, half of the population at risk is invisible to the contact tracing app. Overall smartphone adoption rate is between 70-80% in CH on 2019. 1 in 5 people is not carrying a bluetooth device.

Haters gonna hate and coders gonna code. That means someone else needs to come up with a realistic solution.
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because it uses bluetooth instead of gps. disadvantage is of course that measuring distance via bluetooth is not too accurate.
Not from what I have read...perhaps less invasive but still can determine location.

Interesting article on Bluetooth tracing in the wake of Covid:

https://privacyinternational.org/exp...19-tech-primer

I note the following:

The risks associated with using Bluetooth for location (or proximity) tracking do not just occur at the time the data is collected, but continue as long as it is stored — in particular once it has been linked to an individual. Thus there are concerns about how data such as these could be repurposed by Governments.
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Re: Tracing App developed by ETH for Covid-19

One of the key developers of the app is a mate of mine, known him for over ten years and trust both his skills and intentions as well as his personal standards for becoming involved in something. I have installed the test app and so far I only have some input on the English but curious to see how it works out.

The potential benefits greatly outweigh the costs (that are really pretty small compared to what people share anyway) in my view. The most ironic thing is people ranting about lack of privacy on Facebook; the same people who participated in the ten year challenge and every other stupid quiz that could easily be used to steal someone's identity.
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One of the key developers of the app is a mate of mine, known him for over ten years and trust both his skills and intentions as well as his personal standards for becoming involved in something. I have installed the test app and so far I only have some input on the English but curious to see how it works out.

The potential benefits greatly outweigh the costs (that are really pretty small compared to what people share anyway) in my view. The most ironic thing is people ranting about lack of privacy on Facebook; the same people who participated in the ten year challenge and every other stupid quiz that could easily be used to steal someone's identity.
What are the benefits as no one on this this forum knows the costs? Nor anyone for that matter.... Potential benefits for whom exactly? Therein lies the question.
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