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Spinal 31.05.2020 11:10

Choosing an AED?
 
I have gotten to the point where I want an AED in the building...



someone in my household is at risk of a heart attack (as told by a doctor, and as a first aid trainer (albeit for scuba divers), I already have a training AED (one that doesn't deliver shocks - just to show people how to use one).



That said, I cant make my mind up on an AED. Any suggestions?


Requirements:
- English or Italian voice guidance / CPR guidance
- 4+ year battery life
- Replaceable pads (without prescription)



Nice to haves:
- Fully automatic

- Able to export ECG
- Rugged (so I could throw it into the first aid bag when going diving)
- Always on status indicator (so when on the wall, you can see if it's "ok")



Don't Care:
- Size/weight


My trainer is based on the philips heartstart, so obviously I was leaning towards that... but it'sn not fully automated. So now I'm leaning towards a "Lifepak CR Plus"...


Does anyone have experience in the field? Thoughts?

blackbird 31.05.2020 16:02

Re: Choosing an AED?
 
I can recommend this one, it is easy to use, but not cheap:

https://www.sapros.ch/de/defibrillat...ed-halbautomat



Here are more :

https://www.sapros.ch/de/notfall-aus...aed-fuer-laien

Spinal 31.05.2020 18:46

Re: Choosing an AED?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 3186706)
I can recommend this one, it is easy to use, but not cheap:

https://www.sapros.ch/de/defibrillat...ed-halbautomat



Here are more :

https://www.sapros.ch/de/notfall-aus...aed-fuer-laien

Does that do CPR quality analysis? (i.e. does it tell you if you need to compress deeper/faster if needed?)

blackbird 31.05.2020 19:29

Re: Choosing an AED?
 
I don't know if such an AED exists , that will fit all of your expectations .

If you do CPR , you should do 100-120 compressions per minute at around 2 inches deep.

How should the AED measure the compressions and the depth of it ?
The connection to the body is to transmit an electric impuls to restart the heart .
There is no other connection to the body.
The AED controls the frequency of the heart beat, thats all.

The AED makes a sound like clock, that you need to follow with your compressions.
The AED gives you simple instructions to give even a random person the ability to do CPR, thats what they are made for.

Nobody will make you responsible , if you can't do the job like an Doctor from the ER .

You do your best, call the professionals and do the CPR as long as you can.
It is pretty tough to do 10 mins the 100-120 compressions.
But is the fast response, that will save the live.
When you got a second person for the CPR , you can swap with the other person after 3 mins.

If you do want to do more, you need one of these:

https://www.lehner-versand.ch/p-5450...SABEgKsKfD_BwE

Have you vistited a CPR Training ?

Spinal 01.06.2020 07:59

Re: Choosing an AED?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbird (Post 3186759)
I don't know if such an AED exists , that will fit all of your expectations .

If you do CPR , you should do 100-120 compressions per minute at around 2 inches deep.

How should the AED measure the compressions and the depth of it ?
The connection to the body is to transmit an electric impuls to restart the heart .
There is no other connection to the body.
The AED controls the frequency of the heart beat, thats all.

The AED makes a sound like clock, that you need to follow with your compressions.
The AED gives you simple instructions to give even a random person the ability to do CPR, thats what they are made for.

Nobody will make you responsible , if you can't do the job like an Doctor from the ER .

You do your best, call the professionals and do the CPR as long as you can.
It is pretty tough to do 10 mins the 100-120 compressions.
But is the fast response, that will save the live.
When you got a second person for the CPR , you can swap with the other person after 3 mins.

If you do want to do more, you need one of these:

https://www.lehner-versand.ch/p-5450...SABEgKsKfD_BwE

Have you vistited a CPR Training ?


Already have an oxymeter, and am a EFR instructor (Emergency First Response - which includes CPR and AED use ;) )


As part of this, I do an annual refresher - and even then, I'm not sure if under stress I would do it properly. The CPR quality guidance is actually something that a lot of modern AEDs do, some even have WiFi or a SIM card, and will relay the ECG to emergency services while they arrive, so know what to expect.


That said, it seems like quite "closed" market, most companies that sell AEDs will sell 1-2 brands and that it. Very little in terms of comparions seem to be done online. Some advertise the "strength" (in joules), others don't. Some advertise the minimum time to ready, others don't...



I'm now leaning towards a Lifeplus CR2 or a Zoll AED plus. The Zoll has the advantage of being ubiquitous in Switzerland, while the Lifeplus has a lot more features...


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