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What am I allowed to do if quarantined in Switzerland?

I am contemplating a trip to see family in Sweden, that will result in a 10 day quarantine upon return to Switzerland.

I have not been able to find any information as to what the rules of the quarantine is. It seems like the administration is done locally, so the answer may differ depending on Canton. I assume I will not be allowed to go to work, but what about other things? Groceries? Jogging? Biking? Swimming? Hiking? And how is compliance monitored? Will they ring my doorbell at random times? There is apparently a fine of up to CHF 10 000.

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Re: What am I allowed to do if quarantined in Switzerland?

The rule is not cantonal or municipal but federal.
If you're in quarantine, you must stay indoors, in your home, at all times, and not see other people.
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The Swiss federal council has urged the population not to take any journeys to any country on "The List" unless there is a very important and urgent reason to do so, i.e. not just to visit family.

Groceries? No.
Jogging? No.
Biking? No.
Swimming? No.
Hiking? No.

The purpose is to protect the others: anyone who might come into contact with your droplets, i.e. not just an empty forest, but those who share a stairwell with you, or a bus, or the door-handle of a building.

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...The Swiss federal council has urged the population not to take any journeys to any country on "The List"
Has the list been published yet?

No, it's ok. I just found it. (German) https://www.bag.admin.ch/dam/bag/de/...nenverkehr.pdf
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Has the list been published yet?
Yep. Here's my post from the other thread with a link:

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https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...novel-cov.html

First PDFs at the top of that page, choose German, French or Italian. Sweden is on the list. Page 4.
Edit - USA is also on the list
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Re: What am I allowed to do if quarantined in Switzerland?

In that ordnance:

Art. 2 Quarantäne für einreisende Personen
Personen, die in die Schweiz einreisen und sich zu einem beliebigen Zeitpunkt
innerhalb von 14 Tagen vor der Einreise in einem Staat oder Gebiet mit erhöhtem
Risiko einer Ansteckung mit dem Coronavirus Sars-CoV-2 (Staat oder Gebiet mit
erhöhtem Ansteckungsrisiko) aufgehalten haben, sind verpflichtet, sich unverzüglich
nach der Einreise auf direktem Weg in ihre Wohnung oder eine andere geeignete
Unterkunft zu begeben. Sie müssen sich während 10 Tagen nach ihrer Einreise
ständig dort aufhalten (Quarantäne).

Art. 2 Quarantaine pour les personnes entrant en Suisse
Les personnes ayant séjourné dans un État ou une zone présentant un risque élevé
d’infection au coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (État ou zone présentant un risque élevé
d’infection) à un moment quelconque pendant les 14 jours qui ont précédé leur
entrée en Suisse sont tenues de se rendre sans délai et directement après être entrées
en Suisse dans leur logement ou dans un autre hébergement adapté. Elles doivent y
rester en permanence pendant 10 jours après leur entrée en Suisse (quarantaine).

Art. 2 Quarantena per le persone in entrata
Le persone che entrano in Svizzera e che in un momento qualsiasi nei 14 giorni
precedenti l’entrata hanno soggiornato in uno Stato o una regione con rischio elevato
di contagio da coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 (Stato o regione con rischio elevato di
contagio) sono obbligate a recarsi direttamente presso il proprio domicilio o un altro
alloggio adeguato immediatamente dopo l’entrata. Devono soggiornarvi ininterrottamente per dieci giorni a decorrere dalla loro entrata (quarantena).
Art. 2 Quarantine for persons entering Switzerland
Persons entering Switzerland, who have at any time
within 14 days prior to entering Switzerland, been in a state or territory with high
risk of infection with the Sars-CoV-2 coronavirus (state or area with
increased risk of infection) are obliged, immediately upon arrival [in Switzerland] to travel on the most direct route to their home or another suitable accommodation. Such persons must, for 10 days after entry [into Switzeralnd], remain at that accommodation at all times (quarantine).
The German text reads "ständig", which means always or continuously.
The French reads "en permanence", as in permanently, but also meaning without interruption.
And that's what the Italian text says, too: "ininterrottamente".

In other words: Just Stay At Home, for the entire 10 days, with no going out at all.

Or: if avoidable, don't travel to any of the countries on The List, in the first place.
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Re: What am I allowed to do if quarantined in Switzerland?

TBH, I'm already feeling safer. This is how Ou stop the spread.

My family in Canada had to undergo 14-days with a much higher fine (500'000 cad) for non compliance. I had some relatives move back to Canada from the US because of what's going on. The logistics were difficult. They couldn't share a car, go grocery shopping or use public transport. They essentially had to have someone bring a rented car to the airport preloaded with groceries and drive straight to an Airbnb-rented house for two weeks. Everyone understands these precautions.
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Re: What am I allowed to do if quarantined in Switzerland?

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...And how is compliance monitored?
Neighbors.
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only partly kidding. The text in German seems to indicate you have to inform the local authorities?

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Anyone who is obliged to go into quarantine under this regulation must report entry within two days to the competent cantonal authority and follow the instructions of this authority.
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Wer gemäss dieser Verordnung verpflichtet ist, sich in Quarantäne zu begeben, muss innerhalb von zwei Tagen der zuständigen kantonalen Behörde seine oder ihre Einreise melden und die Anweisungen dieser Behörde befolgen.
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And how is compliance monitored? Will they ring my doorbell at random times? There is apparently a fine of up to CHF 10 000
Well, I would hope that you are decent human being who understands the risk you would potentially put others in by not following the strict rules of quarantine. So that question is hopefully moot.

If you are a selfish idiot who only responds to the threat of fines or legal action, then I really don't know what to say to you.
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Re: What am I allowed to do if quarantined in Switzerland?

There is a 10,000 CHF fine for not adhering to quarantine rules. In addition, there are people who are checking on you. They will also call your home everyday to check on you.

Stay home people, be smart. If we stay healthy, there will be years ahead for trips to Sweden and wherever you wish.
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Re: What am I allowed to do if quarantined in Switzerland?

They put a device on your ankle. When you leave the house it makes a crazy beep beep beep!!!
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They put a device on your ankle. When you leave the house it makes a crazy beep beep beep!!!
Are you still wearing yours? (I appreciate though that you got yours for a different reason).
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Re: What am I allowed to do if quarantined in Switzerland?

I heard today but have not confirmed - if you take a trip somewhere and have to quarantine upon return, your employer is not obligated to pay you while you stay home. You can take vacation or unpaid leave, or if you were already working from home I guess you can do that too.

Something for folks to keep in mind if you have the type of job where you can't work from home.
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crazy beep beep beep!!!
not swish, swish, swish?
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Or getting out of bed.
Or skiing.
Or crossing the road.
Or taking a bath.
All of these activities are far more risky than COVID.
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For the individual, yes. They fit into Curley's "each to their own".
https://www.englishforum.ch/3196343-post23306.html

But wilfully engaging in an activity that carries a high risk of damaging others is not the same thing. That's putting one's fellow employees and employer at risk. Plus all the other people whom one encounters while travelling back from the high-risk country. All that could be avoided by not travelling there in the first place.
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The problem with that argument is that the quarantine benefits society, the individual doesn't gain anything at all, quite the contrary in fact.
There is no reason why that individual should gain anything by the quarantine. Someone who sets off knowingly and willingly, into a high-risk area, and then returns to Switzerland with "bugs from over there" is doing something that is detrimental to society.

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The only right thing is for the government, federal or cantonal, to pay for the lost workdays.
Or perhaps a huge big "right thing" to do would be to just forego travelling to one of those high-risk areas, in the first place. Just don't do it.

And there's always this hope:
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Well, I would hope that you are decent human being who understands the risk you would potentially put others in by not following the strict rules of quarantine.
A message from some of those who work to save lives (Austrian Firemen):
https://scontent.fzrh1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...8f&oe=5F24D355

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Thats the positive effect of the virus. It put an end to the destructive side of tourism. RIP! And I no longer have to get angry over those jet trails blocking out 90% of the sunshine
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There is no reason why that individual should gain anything by the quarantine. Someone who sets off knowingly and willingly, into a high-risk area, and then returns to Switzerland with "bugs from over there" is doing something that is detrimental to society.
Agreed, that's the exception to the rule, applicable to those who went there after an area was declared high-risk.

However, I'm speaking of quarantine in general. I trust you're aware that people so far caught the virus doing perfectly acceptable stuff that wasn't declared high-risk at the time, including having fun in a club. These are the quarantines only the public gains from. Same for those alerted by the Covid app (which may be rendered useless by the mandatory masks anyway).
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Well, I would hope that you are decent human being who understands the risk you would potentially put others in by not following the strict rules of quarantine. So that question is hopefully moot.

If you are a selfish idiot who only responds to the threat of fines or legal action, then I really don't know what to say to you.
I hope you understand that you can break laws and still be a decent human being, since laws are by their nature very general. Have you ever jaywalked when no one was in sight? Will anyone be hurt if I go for a 6 am run in the countryside, or is it perhaps a victimless crime? If I go for a motorcycle ride for an hour, will the virus magically escape from my full-face helmet and kill a bunch of innocent people? It is far more important that you use your brain than that you follow the law if you want to keep people safe.
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I hope you understand that you can break laws and still be a decent human being, since laws are by their nature very general. Have you ever jaywalked when no one was in sight? Will anyone be hurt if I go for a 6 am run in the countryside, or is it perhaps a victimless crime? If I go for a motorcycle ride for an hour, will the virus magically escape from my full-face helmet and kill a bunch of innocent people? It is far more important that you use your brain than that you follow the law if you want to keep people safe.
May be but with this you can potentially infect a lot of people who then can infect a lot of people. Slightly different from jaywalking??

If you run, you will probably run past someone. Etcetera etceterea. So please follow the law on this one? Which your logical brain might tell you as well
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May be but with this you can potentially infect a lot of people who then can infect a lot of people. Slightly different from jaywalking??

If you run, you will probably run past someone. Etcetera etceterea. So please follow the law on this one? Which your logical brain might tell you as well
You can cause trauma in drivers who hit you when jaywalking, as well as other negative externalities if you are hospitalised, such as increased healthcare costs, reduced tax revenue and output. When running, in addition to picking a trail where I have never met another person, I can pick a trail where I can step off it if I meet another runner. I can also run with a mask, etc. Quarantines are there to reduce the risk of infections, not to eliminate them completely.

In the end I decided to not use my ticket. Partly because of the risk of spreading the infection, and partly because of the hassle of being in quarantine. I totally support the introduction of a quarantine, but I still believe that there may be good reasons for individuals in quarantine to occasionally break the rules.
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In the end I decided to not use my ticket. Partly because of the risk of spreading the infection, and partly because of the hassle of being in quarantine.
Sounds like a good decision. Let's hope this whole thing will be over some time soon, so we can all see, and hug, the people we love.
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