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Old 23.09.2020, 14:57
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yes, once they have a kid.

In the small print it says that anonymous donating of sperm to sperm bank also counts Looking forward to 52 weeks of paid holiday.

I think everyone should have 52 weeks of paid holiday, then it is up to them if they want to breed or just chill. That is a truly fair society Glad to see that we finally reached an excellent conclusion.
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:06
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In the small print it says that anonymous donating of sperm to sperm bank also counts Looking forward to 52 weeks of paid holiday.

I think everyone should have 52 weeks of paid holiday, then it is up to them if they want to breed or just chill. That is a truly fair society Glad to see that we finally reached a fair conclusion.
everybody gets 16 years of holiday for free: it's called childhood.

after that, it's time to grow up.

there's a bunch of people who complain that disabled badge holders get the best parking spots, or parents got 'preferential treatment' during covid (looking at you Facebook employees), yadda, yadda

society provides for those who have particular needs because they see the value and benefit of doing so.
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:07
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What about child-free people? Do they get 52 weeks paid holiday too?
Yes.

It's called retirement.
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:11
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society provides for those who have particular needs because they see the value and benefit of doing so.
If only.

In many countries it is just about attending to specific demographics to be better able to harvest their votes. Meaning people don't vote for the party that best suits them overall, but get guided by single issues that affect them the most.

Which is one of the good things about Switzerland, where the referendum system means you can vote in somebody while knowing you can overrule him or her if need be.
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:24
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Re: I have to pay for your kids? :-O

As a father of nearly 3 months old son (in October 2020), I think it’s a terrific idea to get as much paid holidays as possible. Especially, these childless pub goers, instead of getting boozed, can contribute to the family allowance fund.
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:28
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As a father of nearly 3 months old son (in October 2020), I think it’s a terrific idea to get as much paid holidays as possible. Especially, these childless pub goers, instead of getting boozed, can contribute to the family allowance fund.
Congratulations! Na zdraví!
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:29
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As a father of nearly 3 months old son (in October 2020), I think it’s a terrific idea to get as much paid holidays as possible. Especially, these childless pub goers, instead of getting boozed, can contribute to the family allowance fund.
that was bad planning. i wouldn't have kids unless i get at least 8 weeks of paternity leave, otherwise it's not worth it!
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:38
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that was bad planning. i wouldn't have kids unless i get at least 8 weeks of paternity leave, otherwise it's not worth it!
Well, I got me 8 months off, which was nasty combination of COVID-19 pandemic, bad job market and personal circumstances to boot. However, awesome paternity leave is over as I have signed for a new job starting in October 2020.
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:45
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everybody gets 16 years of holiday for free: it's called childhood.

after that, it's time to grow up.

Nothing grown up about breeding
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Old 23.09.2020, 15:56
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everybody gets 16 years of holiday for free: it's called childhood.

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Not everyone, it really depends on where you live.
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Agreed! Along with better and more affordable childcare once the parents have to go back to work.
Germany has this... Up to 3 years of parental leave to be shared amongst the parents, with the first year paid. A friend of mine had an easy second child and used part of her leave to get her MBA part-time. When she returned to work, she was making twice her old salary. I'm debating a move, but we'd have to sell the house and everything first.
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Old 23.09.2020, 17:07
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Re: I have to pay for your kids? :-O

Smoke & mirrors! I suppose if you’re progressive you’d also favour higher tax deductions for kids? While it certainly depends where you’re coming from, the general tax paying public can’t really think “Höhere Abzüge für Kinder bei der Bundessteuer” is in its interest.

A typical example of how an initially sensible idea (allow 3rd party child care reduction) => estimated tax loss 10m gets turned into something quite a bit different => estimate 380m

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/hoehere-k...ick-ld.1568624

In a separate NZZ article

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/abstimmun...ich-ld.1573699

Philipp Kutter (CVP) freely admits that reducing the tax rates for higher incomes is politically impossible and this is a roundabout method of achieving it.
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Old 23.09.2020, 18:30
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Well it was a no to the tax deductions from me. Sounds nice at first glance, benefits people who don't need it when you look closer.
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Old 23.09.2020, 19:17
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Not everyone, it really depends on where you live.
really? is there some swiss canton where you can leave school earlier? ticino, right? they probably start there in the cheese mines once they're big enough to hold a pick.
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Old 23.09.2020, 22:28
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I would seriously be disenchanted with Switzerland (or elsewhere in the world), if I were deprived of my childhood already at the age of 16.
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Old 24.09.2020, 07:54
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What? Little kids work very hard in many parts of the world to provide for their families. Is that not losing their childhood?


Even in Switzerland I have known many families, for example bad single parents who made their kid do all the work at a tender young age without any love but plenty of abuse. Just because someone goes school does not mean that they did not lose their childhood.
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Old 24.09.2020, 08:11
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really? is there some swiss canton where you can leave school earlier? ticino, right? they probably start there in the cheese mines once they're big enough to hold a pick.
I wasn’t referring just to Switzerland but actually in a lot of cantons children have finished obligatory schooling at age 15 if they don’t repeat a year. Most of them do go on to post obligatory education but not all of them.
Add to that all the children working in family businesses, on farms etc.
Going to school doesn’t necessarily mean not working.

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I would seriously be disenchanted with Switzerland (or elsewhere in the world), if I were deprived of my childhood already at the age of 16.
There are lots of places all around the world where that is the case.
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Old 24.09.2020, 08:22
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They will be getting paid, they are not working for free. Why do you think I save my money? Yes, to pay for your kids wages

For the 100th time, when I can't permanently take care of myself I am taking the EXIT option! Is that so hard to understand? I am not one of those people who want to drag on their life just for the sake of it. If the quality of my life hits rock bottom, I am gone!

Who will be committing crimes, stripping the planet of its resources, financial fraud, be the next Trump/Biden, next Epstein, rapist, murder, rioter etc? Obviously not my kids either
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Old 24.09.2020, 09:11
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What? Little kids work very hard in many parts of the world to provide for their families.
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There are lots of places all around the world where that is the case.
I wonder how many of these countries have paternity leave? I'm guessing none. The OP might consider moving to one of these paternity-leave-free child-labour utopias.
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Old 24.09.2020, 09:15
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I wonder how many of these countries have paternity leave? I'm guessing none. The OP might consider moving to one of these paternity-leave-free child-labour utopias.
I’m sure you are right about that. I doubt they have much in the way of maternity benefits either.

Mountains huts are probably very cheap although services might leave something to be desired.
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