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Old 06.10.2020, 11:42
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You're reading it too briefly and thus not understanding it properly.

My passport shows "Name: John Doe Smith".

No differentiation between first, middle or surname.

In Switzerland (and they quote some EU law), name means surname, so, they (not me) took the whole thing as surname.

Then their computers don't allow them to leave "Vorname" (firstname) as blank, so they (not me) put in the full name again. Thus my name became John Doe Smith John Doe Smith.

I did not do anything wrong. The authorities simply changed it one day without informing me. And it took years for them to fix it and it cost me a lot of money.

I'm just saying - you cannot assume that what works in one country works in another. You might call it a middle name in one country/passport, and then find out that it's defined entirely differently in another country.
Sure, someone fsked up (and I see it wasn't you). Doesn't sound like it's got anything to do with you having a middle name though, just some idiot penpusher not doing their job properly, and could have happened with or without a middle name.

So I still can't see any reason why giving a child a middle name might cause them problems later in life.
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Old 06.10.2020, 11:58
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If you do a middle name, watch that the initials of all names don't wind up in a crazy result eg: Ray Ian Preston = RIP or Fanny Ursula Kennedy =
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I always thought the "middle name" was given as your baptism name.
If it's only given at your baptism (assuming the Catholic usage of the word, rather than the Baptist one) does that mean it doesn't actually appear on your birth certificate? Or do you have to get it modified at some point after the birth?
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Old 06.10.2020, 12:34
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If it's only given at your baptism (assuming the Catholic usage of the word, rather than the Baptist one) does that mean it doesn't actually appear on your birth certificate? Or do you have to get it modified at some point after the birth?
Appears I was mistaken in my understanding. Both names appear on my birth cert.
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Old 06.10.2020, 12:34
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I have a middle name (quite common where I was born and raised), but never used it. Ever. Same thing with my wife.

All 3 of our kids were born in different countries, and we decided to give them very "international" names, that don't quite identify with a specific language, but no middle name. Granted my last name is very unique, so even my youngest, called Anna, still has a very unique name.
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These days it is just up to you. When I was born, early 50s- seems like it was godmothers who chose names- I had two, so each gave me a name- and both are symbols of where they come from.



For our first daughter, we gave her two names, and our second, one- she still goes on about it 45 years later . OH has 3 very unusual names + an unusual surname - quite a mouthful.
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Old 06.10.2020, 12:55
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In daily life most Swiss are known by their first name only and you will never know there middle name(s). In that sense it is properly a better security question than the mothers maiden name.

Do the Swiss really use the middle name as security question for the internet (banks,etc)? That may explain why my work colleagues went a bit crazy when their middle names were accidentally published through email addresses.
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Old 06.10.2020, 13:01
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Without a middle name, we would never have had the likes of Rosco P. Coltrane or Buford T. Justice

#compelling
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Some Swiss have middle name(s) some don't.
In daily life most Swiss are known by their first name only and you will never know there middle name(s). In that sense it is properly a better security question than the mothers maiden name.

In some families the middle name might be the name of the child grandmother or grandfather, or the name of the god parent, or something else. I some other families the people have only one name. In addition to that, it is not really know as "middle name" but more as a second, third "first name" (Zweiter Vorname, weitere Vorname).

Only a few Swiss will use their middle name and first name in daily life. Some might use one of the other first names as the regular, primary first name (Rufname). But, unlike in German ID/passports the primary first name is not underlined on Swiss ID papers.

Swiss people which used middle names or middle Initials are mostly infamous: Werner K. Ray, Hans W. Kopp comes to my mind.

Correct!

I got a 2nd 'first name' too. With me it was a tradition on the maternal side that the first girl born into the family got the 2nd name from her mother, my daughter (7th generation following that custom now) got mine as a 2nd first name and I hope one day she'll continue the tradition.

I know of a few other families doing the same.

I don't use my 2nd name generally, only with my Bolan mates, because it makes me a proper 'Child of Rarn'

I find it also helps/helped to differentiate, when I grew up in a village, there were often a few same and rather common surnames.

Meier/Müller and the like, so when you had some official business at the town hall or even at school, it helped to have a 2nd name.
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Do the Swiss really use the middle name as security question for the internet (banks,etc)?
No it isn't. Neither is mothers maiden name as this can be deduced very often quite easily.

As I do not have more than one first names (I have a world wide unique first name, family name combination ) I can only assume:

It is an intim, emotional thing. The second name my sound "silly" as it might be an old , non-modern one. Or it might just be unusual as it not really used, nearly forgotten. More than one name looks prestigious and overly posh. And most often Swiss which use two names or there middle initial are crooks or douche bags. Exception might be Mr. Rainer Maria Salzgeber.
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I feel your pain.

SNSmith, give your child a middle name if that is your tradition and your wish.

But put the name that you intend to use as the first name. That's one less hurdle for your child to deal with later on.

Or at least teach him or her the importance of consistency when filling out forms, from day one.

BTDT, and over the decades have spent too much time explaining, too much time cleaning up bureaucratic messes.
This. I have a middle name - it's the one I've always been known as because my parents preferred the way it sounded that way round. It's a PITA to constantly have to explain yes, RufusB is my whole name but I don't use Rufus. Only B. Pretty much only the bank, dentist and interviewers call me Rufus.

My kids have middle names, my OH does not.

Congratulations on the pregnancy!
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Without a middle name, we would never have had the likes of Rosco P. Coltrane or Buford T. Justice
No discussion of middle names is complete without bringing up Harry S Truman.
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No discussion of middle names is complete without bringing up Harry S Truman.
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No discussion of middle names is complete without bringing up Harry S Truman.
Or George W Bush
Or JFK
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Re: Middle / second given names

I've got two middle names. And my surname is long. I sometimes don't fit on forms. But the Swiss have coped so far.
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I've got two middle names. And my surname is long. I sometimes don't fit on forms. But the Swiss have coped so far.
Aziz is very short.
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Re: Middle / second given names

I have three names, I am known by my third name, I would not recommend that particular approach.

A dog usually has just one name, people tend to have at least two, if they are well chosen it can be very nice, also unique to that individual, from an ancestral tracing point of view more than one is better
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Few months ago the company merged with another one, we got new email addresses setup automatically with people's data from the job contract and the new company name......from one day to other I found a lot of my colleagues had first and middle names, others had up to 3 first names. The curious thing is that people felt exposed as if they had something to hide, something shameful? I still don't understand what happened, anyone with deeper knowledge of local/Europe culture can explain?
Yes. Sometimes these middle names are given because the parents feel obliged to carry on some grandparent or even godparent (when religious) name and is usually old fashioned and just by the sound of it, you'd think that person is 85.
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